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john9346:

I believe what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS. I don't necessarily believe what people use psychic powers to read beteen the lines but isn't actually there.


Haz27:

I hadn't answered john9346's question because I was extremely busy the last few days. I DO have a life outside CN. Also, I have had to waste so much time answering your constant badgering, and the blog doesn't let me post two replies at once, that I haven't had the opportunity to reply to it yet.

I see your "deflection" record player is still playing.

As john9346 said, you reject scripture,

WRONG. See above.


kathr4453:

I agree that was splitting hairs and choking on gnats. Can we all please move on?


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Haz27:

Your broken record keeps playing the same tracks of "deflection", "obfuscation", and "victim narrative" over and over again. I'm tired of it, and I'm done. You already wasted two blogs with this discussion. I won't waste my time hittimg my head against the wall with you to totally waste a third one.

Jesus refused to debate the Pharisees when he saw it was pointles to do so. I do the same with you.

I spend far more time away from CN than on it

This is the wisest thing I've heard you say yet.

And I suggest that YOU use scripture to confirm scripture, rather than fantasizing nebulous interpretations from one scripture and then shoving those interpretations into others.


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Web:

I'm sorry about your situation, but I'm not sure if there is a question there for people to answer. Could you be a bit more specific about what you are looking for?


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Haz27:

I have repeatedly said that I don't believe this, yet you keep parroting this nonsense over and over again.

You are also very presumptuous to speak for everyone here. Have a look yourself to see how many here have found my posts useful, and how many have found your posts useful. I let them speak for themselves.

Your 1/11/18 post claims Matthew 25 is just a parable, but that doesn't explain it at all. Try again.

I am not arguing salvation solely on works, only that Matthew 10+25 don't mention faith. Stop twisting my words!

I also said you have until the end of that blog to argue it. That blog is over. I'm done.


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Haz27:

You wrote: Matt 25 YOU claim sheep are saved, but are NOT Christians.

I have asked you to explain WHY Christians would ask "when did we see you hungry and feed you?" several times, yet you have never answered this. Why the deflection?

Matthew 10 doesn't SPECIFICALLY refer to Christians - it could refer to either Christians or non-Christians.

BTW, I've repeatedly quoted scripture to you showing how Matt 25 & 10, etc refer to Christians, using RITUAL descriptors.

Those scriptures had NOTHING to do with Matthew 25 and 10 WHATSOEVER.


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Haz27:

I wrote: The selection criterion between sheep and goats here is SOLELY based on deeds, NOT on faith...

You repeatedly ignored the word here even when I highighted it with underline, bold, italics, and MARQUEE to make sure you couldn't miss it! I was specifically talking about Matthew 25 ONLY, not about the whole bible!

Christians would know better than to ask "when did we feed you?" since they would already know the answer. SO WHO ARE THEY?

You have yet to answer how Christians would not already know this.


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john9346:

JESUS was seen of Cephas (later). Cephas was NOT personally present in the tomb.
Your message said nothing about any sin I must repent "lest I imperil my soul".
The ultimate authority? God.
It's not that I disbelieve what scripture says, just what people read between the lines.


kathr4453:

Acts 1:22+4:33 speak about witnesses of the resurrection PHENOMENON rather than the resurrection EVENT, and I pointed out that these are slightly different, but yes, it's splitting hairs.

In court, the distinction is important - if I smashed your car and you later saw me sitting in it, you could say "the car was smashed and he was in it", but not "he smashed my car".


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Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. It's clear you follow a gospel where JC is irrelevant to salvation as works is enough.

I've repeatedly told you that this is NOT the case, but my words fall on deaf ears.

You take Matt 25, Matt 10:42, in isolation from the the Bible,

Yes - because I was speaking ONLY about what they SPECIFICALLY say. I Never said that was the WHOLE message of the Bible.

You have until the end of this blog to flog this dead horse, and then I'm done with it.


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john9346:

Nowhere does 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 say ANYONE witnessed the resurrection. It happened before the stone was rolled away. Many people saw the resurrected Jesus AFTER the resurrection, but nobody actually saw the resurrection. Apostles didn't even believe until women told them about it.

I never said Paul wasn't an apostle - only that he didn't meet a set of 3 criteria that you set forth (which means your criteria were incorrect).

Sir, I pray you'll repent and believe before its to late for you...

What, exactly do I need to repent OF? We were talking about whether the canon is closed - so I asked you to show me which scripture REQUIRED proper belief about the canon in order to be saved.


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Haz27:

You attack and accuse me in almost every post (e.g. "false gospel", "deflection", "leftie"). I rarely snap at you - only from constant provocation, then you pull the "victim card" card.

About the "primary issue of the Bible", you mention many important scriptures on faith, yet ignore important ones on works like Matthew 25, and James 2 about both. Why? To see the whole picture about ANYTHING, you should see all angles. As with most arguments, you cite things agreeing with your point while ignoring anything with even a slightly different perspective. Talk about deflection!

John 14:6.

Matthew 25 sheep did the will of Jesus without even realizing it.


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Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. I see youre now even gloating of your virtue of being long suffering

Gloating? Are you even CAPABLE of making a post without accusing somenoe of something? Read your New Testament and see who is called "the accuser", and whose agenda you seem to be following.

I point out the flaws that legislators have as a group. You point out flaws *I* have personally. That is the difference.

Still waiting for you to explain your doctrines contradiction of the gospel.

I have explained already, but you will keep waiting until icicles drip from Satan's nose.


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john9346:

You wrote: False what he actually stated is, "8 And last of all...

Exactly. He was seen AFTER the resurrection. Nobody saw the resurrection AS IT WAS TAKING PLACE (which is what I said, and in bold face to make it clear).

I wrote: Show me where scripture requires proper belief about whether the canon is closed or not as a prerequisite for salvation.

You wrote: 2 Tim 3:16-17

Nothing in this passage says anything about "canon", nor anything about "salvation".


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Steveng:

I'm usually very long-suffering. It usually takes a lot, over a long time, to provoke me, unlike Haz27, who attacks me in almost every post.


Haz27:

I only "admit" things in your own mind as you read between the lines. I have NOT "refused to answer". I answer repeatedly. You just don't like the answer.

Matthew 10:42 says ANYONE will have "his reward", and is literally about water.

Sigmund Freud once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sometimes when the Bible talks about water, it's ACTUALLY talking about water.


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john9346:

You wrote: Because the canon is closed no more revelation see, Eph 2:19-20, 2 Pet 1:19-21

Eph 2:19-20: Citizenship says nothing anything about the canon being closed.
2 Peter 1:19-21 doesn't say holy men can no longer by moved.
1 Cor 15:3-8: "I also RECEIVED", not "I SAW". Also, the apostles saw Jesus AFTER the Resurrection. Nobody saw the resurrection while it was ACTUALLY happening (unlike the Transfiguration).
Mark 16:1-8, Jn 20:1-9: also AFTER.

Sir, I pray you'll repent and believe before its to late for you...

Show me where scripture requires proper belief about whether the canon is closed or not as a prerequisite for salvation. You're choking on gnats.


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Mark_Eaton:

You wrote: Much of this comes from extra-biblical writings and is even discussed in some Kabbalah teaching.

Where it comes from is irrelevant, if it is quoted authoritatively in scripture. If Jude said it and believed it, and Jude is the Word of God, then it's true, no?

Why do you?

To provide a reductio ad absurdum argument against those whose criterion of canonicity is whether a work is quoted in scripture. Anyone who does this must rip Esther out of their bible and replace it with Enoch.


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Haz27:

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I had his/her once, but you never clarified which was correct. Message limits don't permit =saying his/her every time.

Refusing to answeris is not provocative. Jesus refused to tell Pharisees where his authority came from, or Pilate if he was king. Constantly accusing me of a "false gospel" IS provocative, as accusations always are.

Matt 25+James 2 don't contradict the gospel. They say different things, and must be reconciled. Look up "dialectic".

How do YOU interpret Matt 10:42? Jesus says ANYONE, not ANY CHRISTIAN.

Anyway, I have given you my answers, but since you don't like them, there's nothing more I can tell you on the subject. Please move on.


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Samuelbb7:

Nowhere does the Bible say visions and canon are closed. The Jews wrongly themselves believed this 2000 years ago.

Still, it would take great vision or great delusion to think one is an Apostle, and there are few (if any) who could fill those shoes. All I'm saying is that the Bible doesn't preclude it.


john9346:

You give 3 qualifications.

Paul doesn't fulfil 1. It was possible for Jesus to personally appear to Paul and appoint him. What makes it IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to appear to Tom, Dick, and Harry to appoint THEM?

NOBODY (including the Apostles) witnessed the Resurrection directly - only the evidence of it. Whether Jesus was seen alive in 34 AD or 2034 AD, both show the same evidence.


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Steveng:

I wrote: Can you PLEASE get this through your thick skull?

You wrote: Not a christian response.

Yet you say not a peep against Haz27's incessant attacks against me that provoked it, or do you think THOSE are Christian responses? Before asking me to remove the speck from my eye, ask her to remove the beam from hers.


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kathr4453:

You wrote: Strongaxe, the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit leads us into Truth, is that which we have an anointing, and has exercised us to be able to eat strong meat, and be able to DISCERN truth from lies, are not FEELINGS.

Yes. However there are many people who believe they are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and who truly believe they are discerning the truth, but are dead wrong on both accounts. (Mormons believing the Book of Mormon is the Inspired Word of God is one such example).

My point is that one's own subjective belief that one has the Spirit and Truth are not guarantees of these things.


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Haz27:

Stop. Just STOP. I have explained repeatedly that I was speaking SOLELY about what Matthew 25 was saying, yet you keep INSISTING that this is "my false gospel", because you continue to disregard EVERYTHING ELSE I SAY about the subject after your repeated questions. Because you REFUSE to listen, I will cease to "kick against the goads", and decline to discuss anything more with you on this subject, since it is a total waste of my time and effort, and that of everyone else who reads these blogs.

Perhaps when you learn how to seriously consider what others say, and actualy listen without constantly screaming accusations, I might consider discussing things with you further. Until then, good day.



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