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Where Did Giants Come From
  
The one thing I have come to realize is that the reason there is confusion about the bible, what it says is because people wont except that Satan has corrupted bible translations. God makes things perfect one time and he definitely doesn't need some scholar to think that man can improve it, oldest sin = man can do a better job than God. God doesn't come back and say well let me change what I said here and their. KJV = True inspired Word of God. All others are corruptions. Until the people realize that first they need to decide to come to terms with this. you will always fight about it, Good Luck!!!!!! 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Legends, What translation do you use?
KJV = Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
NIV = Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Again notice anything different? only begotten son missing, which could account for your misunderstanding. There are corrupted bibles!!!

Sons of God = Collectively called angels.
Son of God = Singularly called only begotten son.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Chris, I didn't realize you were asking, my apologies.
Sons of God are the fallen Angels.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
The giants were the result of this mixing. Good boys and bad girls don't produce giants. So he needs to explain Og of Bashan, and Goliath.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Chris, This matters when it also plays a roll in the end times prophecy.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, THEY SHALL MINGLE THEMSELVES WITH THE SEED OF MEN: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
It is paramount to understand.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Legends, You also have this, Note the emphatic position of son. See on Heb_1:4. In the O.T. son is applied to angels collectively, but never individually. See Psa_29:1, Psa_89:6. Similarly, son is applied to the chosen nation, Exo_4:22, Hos_11:1, but to no individual of the nation.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, Which translation do you read?
KJV = Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants, behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
NIV = Deu. 3:11 (Og king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaites. His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide.[a] It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.)
Notice anything different?


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Legends, a little egg on me, yes two different languages. However we do have two different contexts here. What has God said to Christ? He has said, Sit thou at my right hand, till I make thy enemies thy footstool, Psa_110:1. What has God said to the angels? He never said to them, as he said to Christ, Sit you at my right hand, but he has said of them here that they are ministering spirits. He is not refering to creation of but, The superiority of Christ to the angels appears in this that God never said to the angels what he has said to Christ. This takes more space than I am aloud.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Now Concerning the giants, How is it that just simply being good men and bad daughters produce giants?
Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants, behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
That is 12 ft.
Line of Seth theory doesn't make sense.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Legend, AGAIN we must then resort to the original Hebrews text to answer your question. Gen. 6 - Son = bane
and in Hebrews 1:5 the original word there for Son = hwee-os' as you can well see they were two DIFFERENT words meaning two different things. I am not making an argument against an apostle, I am making an argument against man's translations. As Leon has clearly pointed out "Do not rely upon the finite (limited cognitive) interpretations of mere men over the leading & biblical teaching of Infinite (Unlimited) God, the Holy Spirit."


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Part 1:Scriptures:
Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Num_13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu_2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims, but the Moabites call them Emims.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, If you can not except the simple challenges set before you. Then this discussion can only result into circular arguing. This of course is not my intent, as I love all as my brothers in Christ. Part of my challenge was to study just that, the Word of God in its original context ( the Hebrew text). You have either decided to ignore that part or you may have simply overlooked. Either way with so many different translations, all of whom use different words, I find that it is imperative (as do many scholars and theologians) to study the oldest texts available. So you must admit that You As Well Are Guilty of trusting in the interpretations of men. Hence, my plea for objectiveness and cognitive thinking!


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Chris, Yes, you are right if even Enoch who did not die but was taken "because he walked with God" was not called a Son of God. Or even Noah. So how did Seth and only Seth through out the entire old testament warrant such a grand Title? Simple Challenge: Search Irish Giant in Google Image search, There is a mummy propped against a train car - pic. was taken before photo shop existed. Clue: He was one of the Nephilim (Giants) spoken of.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, Math. 18:20 God = Omnipresence - is the property of being present everywhere. Omnipotent - knows every thing and can be and act everywhere, simultaneously. Omnipresence and Omnipotent are difficult concepts to internalize. Please try. This is what this verse is saying, not a direct link to what you suggest. Lets keep the verses in context. Objectiveness and cognitive thinking, please.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, I have looked at all that you have asked, and it just is not what you say, I am not offering private interpretation, after all even the majority of the church fathers (Ante-Nicene Fathers - from the earliest church age) agree with my interpretation. I have challenged you too look at, use and research, what the closest to original Hebrew texts and definitions say. After all, we don't have the true originals. But you wont do that. Have you ever looked into when the theory - Line of Seth - first started and where it originated? Lets try to be objective here, and use some cognitive thinking!


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, Please show me in Job 38:7 where it says anything of man,(Please include the original Hebrew text and definition.)that you see. A true study of the bible should always include these. Sons of God is a common place title not a reference too choice as in whether you choose to do good or bad(obedient or not).


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Some of my posts are missing which is making my part in this conversation not completely clear. maybe they will post later, I hope!


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, even your own words are contradictory "God created the Arch-angel Lucifer, as a perfect (flawless) being, with the free-will ability to choose to do good or evil."
Are you then saying God can have good and bad sons? Are you then saying that the Sons of God in Gen. 6 could also be bad angels(Lucifer)?


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Chris, I read the KJV bible and that's not what it says. I really don't want to digress into another topic here.
This is why bible believing Christians cant agree amongst themselves, different translations = different meanings. Satan is is good at corrupting, lying, and deceiving. Caution to all.


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Line of Seth Theory = I challenge anyone to show a verse that connects Seth and being a son of God? Its just not there! There are only 8 verses in the bible referring to Seth, and none them say he was a Son of God!


Who Are Sons Of God
  
Dear Leon, I beg to differ in Job it clearly says the sons of God CAME TO PRESENT themselves before the Lord, not the Lord came here. I think it is possible that you are misunderstanding the part where it says, Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, FROM GOING TO AND FRO IN THE EARTH, and from walking up and down in it. That is in the past he came form the earth to present himself to the Lord.



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