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Jehovah Witnesses 7th Day
  
Francis, on your 6/22/12 post.

According to your logic, since angels are messengers of God, and Jesus, having been sent by God, is the chief messenger, hence, in the verse you cited (Heb.1:1), we should now also say that the prophets, through whom God spoke to the fathers are also angels.

Do you also believe that the prophets are angels? Remember, the verse mentions that unto the fathers God spoke by the prophets, so the prophets are God's messengers to the fathers.


What Applies To Christians
  
Francis, on your 6/8/12 post about your dog:

Col.3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth, FORNICATION,..."

and your 6/9/12 post about Lev.19:4:

Acts17:29 "...we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold...graven by art and man's device."
and again: Col.3:5 also talks of a different kind of idolatry.

Col.3:5 "...which is idolatry..."

So, what you saw in the OT was also mentioned by Christ in his preachings. Knowing that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Rom.1:16), Christ would not lack in teaching us all that we need to follow/observe.


What Applies To Christians
  
Francis,

You used Lev.18:22. -- Did you not see 1Cor.6:9 "...neither fornicators...nor abusers of themselves with mankind..."
or this: Col.3,5 "mortify therefor your members...fornication..."

and on 6/10 you used Lev.19:4 -- Did you not see Acts17:29 "...that the Godhead is like unto gold...graven by art.." and Col.3:5 (again) talks of a different type of idolatry.

When you defended the 10Cs, you like quoting from the NT. Why is is that now you can't seem to find the commandments/preachings of Jesus (in the NT) that correspond to what you see in the OT?

Knowing that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, Christ would not lack in teaching us all that christians should observe.


Churches Are Silent On Sin
  
MarkV 6/7/12 -- Agree with you there.

And to add to that: We are now living in what the bible calls the end days where so many false christs and false prophets have risen. Who, are either ignorant of God's righteousness and have thus established their own righteousness, or are "greedy dogs which can never have enough" (Isa.56:11).

They have deceived (and continue to deceive) many into believing a different Christ and following a different doctrine than what the apostles preached.


Ten Commandments Or Jesus
  
Francis on 6/7 > "oops I just posted TEN. I di dnot even post on drunkeness, effeminate, revilers, or extortioners,"

I thought you said your church observes 10/10 commandments? So if you include drunkeness, effeminate, etc... that would now be 14/10 commandments? (LOL)

My point, if you say you follow the 10Cs then obey 10Cs only, since as you said "he added no more." If you say you obey Christ then obey Christ and not the 10Cs for Christ commanded more than 10. And these are not the 10Cs.. but the law of Christ... the gospel -- "the power of God unto salvation"(Rom1:16)


Ten Commandments Or Jesus
  
Jerry,

"He is defining it for those who decided to write their own opinion into the law" -- So from the time the law was given on the mount, God, not even through Moses was able to "define" the law so that they all believed that "any work" means any work and not "servile work only"?

"the man-made, counterfeit Sunday" -- "And upon THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them.." (Acts.20:7) -- man-made?

"Jesus was really stupid to write a defective law," -- "For finding FAULT with them...: -- So was the 1st covenant faulty/defective?


Ten Commandments Or Jesus
  
Jerry > "and say "think not that I came to destroy the Law"..."

You have been misled by your leaders to think that "the law" here means the 10Cs.

Here's the verse: "Think not that I am come to destroy THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" (Mat.5:17)

"...all things must be fulfilled...written IN THE LAW of Moses, and IN THE PROPHETS, and in the psalms, CONCERNING ME." (Luk.24:44) -- the "things" that "must be fulfilled, written in THE LAW and in THE PROPHETS are things "concerning him."


Jesus Author Of Ten Commandments
  
Francis > "If you cannot see the difference between healing a man,"

Oh, I can see. It is you who cannot see the difference. You cannot see the difference in the commandments given in the 10Cs and the commandments given by Christ in the law of Christ.

It is clear that the Jesus you know is not the same Jesus i know... not the Jesus that was preached by the apostles.


Jesus Author Of Ten Commandments
  
Francis,
You've been so confused by the confusing doctrines of your leader who have destroyed "the way of thy paths."

Initially you were debating the story in Numbers by using the babylonian captivity and how they "made strict rules about how to keep sabbath". Now you're admitting that the man did in fact broke the sabbath law. Which is which?

I think you will only understand that what Christ preached was the gospel and not the 10Cs when you really, truly understand what Christ meant when He said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." (Mat.5:17)


Jesus Author Of Ten Commandments
  
Francis on 6/5/12

Again, a lot of babble, no substance.

When I 1st mentioned about the man in Numbers15, you babbled about Babylonian captivity and that "once they got out of captivity they made strict rules about how to keep sabbath." -- which, no matter how you stretch logic would not fit into the story.

1. the story in Numbers happened when they were still wandering in the wilderness. -- How is that related to the babylonian captivity?

2. the man was killed not because the people or even Moses "made strict rules about sabbath", but because IT WAS COMMANDED BY GOD.


Ten Commandments Or Jesus
  
Jerry, just to reply to your post in "Quotes from the Old Testament" on 6/5/12

Yes, the author of the 10Cs is the God that I obey... the same God who said that He will make a new covenant with His people because the 1st covenant was faulty.

"Where in the NT do you find scriptural support for ignoring the OT and disobedience to God?" -- Did i ever, at any time, say this? What i do not follow is the 10Cs because that has been done away with.
(part1)


Ten Commandments Or Jesus
  
To Jerry,
(part 2)
The problem with you and Francis is you insist on keeping the 10Cs but you go to the teachings of Christ to show how it should be observed. The 10Cs when it was given in the Mount was complete, and was observed as it was stated.

What do i mean? Again, the example in Numbers15:32. If the "TRUE" sabbath law in the 10Cs was IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD on sabbaths, then why was the man commanded by God to be killed? It is because the law in the 10Cs is 'THOU SHALT NOT DO ANY WORK."

Logic then tells us that when Christ spoke of this in Mat.12:12, he is in fact, changing the law on sabbath.


Jesus Author Of Ten Commandments
  
Francis, since i know you will never answer those questions, i leave you these:

"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and WOMEN RULE OVER THEM. O my people, THEY WHICH LEAD THEE cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." (Isa.3:12)

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ, and THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN, and the head of Christ is God." (1Cor.11:3)


Ten Commandments Or Jesus
  
Rob, i agree with your post on 6/5/12 specially on EGW.

And this is what the bible tells them:

"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and WOMEN RULE OVER THEM. O my people, THEY WHICH LEAD THEE cause thee TO ERR, and destroy the way of thy paths." (Isa.3:12)

Their logic is so distorted because in the organization of their church, it is also distorted:
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ, and THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN, and the head of Christ is God." (1Cor.11:3)


Jesus Author Of Ten Commandments
  

Francis > "Your comments are not worth replying to at this time. They show a vast lack of bilical knowledge. You are not reading your bible at all, you are just saying what cmes to your mind."

A lot of babble, but no substance. That's what you do when you're caught in the corner with your distorted belief.

If i am so "UNKNOWLEDGEABLE" about the bible, why can you not explain Numbers15:32-36? If as you claim, the law on sabbath in the 10Cs has always been what Jesus commanded, then why was that man commanded by God to be stoned to death?


Is Satan A Fallen Angel
  
Just want to share an "anecdote" i read before, which supposedly involved Einstein when he was just a school boy. Am not sure if that is accurate though.

Anyway, it was said, he was asked by his professor regarding Satan, being evil and who then created evil. He answered by using light and darkness to explain good and evil. The bible says light was created, but it does not mention that darkness was created. Darkness is simply the absence of light. Light is the creation. The absence of that creation (light) is what we call darkness.

In the same way, the bible said everything God created was good. It does not say God created evil. Evil, using light and darkness as an analogy, is simply the absence of good.


Quotes From The Old Testament
  
Francis,

In your reply to Rob on 6/3/12, you said "a church that teach all 10 commandments..."

What about "baptism"? Is it a commandment? "Go ye... teach all nations.. baptizing them..." (Mat.28:19) -- So, that's +1... so that would now make it 11? Or do you not teach baptism as a commandment?

My point (beyond this sarcasm) is: You created a belief by mixing the 10Cs -- the law of moses, and the commandments given by Christ in the gospel. But there is no such thing.

Nowhere in the bible can you read that these two laws have been "merged" and is what should be followed now.


Is Satan A Fallen Angel
  
Cluny, I have heard this "line of reasoning" as well from some aetheist and (I don't know) but maybe sanning has also heard it.

In their attempt to try to disprove God, they reason that "God is the creator of everything right? So who created satan? Is satan good? So God created evil as well?"


Jesus Author Of Ten Commandments
  
Another distortion by Francis.

"The main cause of the Babylonian captivity..." -- Why are we suddenly in babylonian captivity?

"..they made strict rules about how to keep sabbath... contrary to the spirit and intend of the sabbath."

Really?!
Numbers15:32 "while the children of Israel WERE IN THE WILDERNESS," -- where were they? They were still in the wilderness.
v.35-36 "And THE LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, The man shall be surely put to death...and he died, AS THE LORD COMMANDED MOSES." -- so who made the strict rules about how to keep sabbath? It is very clear that it was God who commanded the man to be killed. What "strict rules" are you talking about?



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