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Explain James 5:19-20
Gods plan and timing of world events He has told us about will happen regardless of whether man believes or not. We have many instances in scripture to prove this. One we see Abraham and the child of promise. Even though Abraham and Sarah had a lapse of faith and went about it their own way bringing Ishmael into the world did not TWART Gods promise to Abraham and Sarah. Isaac is the child of promise. And he was conceived even when Sarah was past the age of child bearing.

The Lord also brought Israel to the promise land in spite of all the rebellion. Their children 20 and under inherited the promise. It wasn't TWARTED because of a lack of faith. Joshua 1 ...Hebrews 3-4. Mans free will will NEVER TWART Gods plans and purpose.

Billy Graham Used By God
Nicole, as you so arrogantly tell Protestants they are 2nd, let me remind you of what God said....YOU were grafted into the olive branch WILD AGAINST NATURE. You were NEVER one of the natural branches. So again we see you are 2nd. The Gospel has been accepted by individuals in ALL 12 Branches of Israel and scripture states WE are the Elect of God according to the election of GRACE, and has NOTHING to do with any denominational church or RCC.

You really must re-visit Romans 11. And heed the warning about being broken off for lets see...arrogance and ignorance.

I hate to have to put you in your place, but feel it's about time someone did. If anyone has a problem with this, you too read Romans 11. I didn't say it, GOD DID.

Are Christians Gullible
In regards to James, we see in the early church, miracles of signs and wonders were present, where Bibles were not in every household, we also see some had hands laid on them simply to receive the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation, we see TODAY that is not necessary.

So one must put many of these scriptures in historical perspective. Even when Paul said its better not to marry, was from an historical perspective that at that time the Church AKA THE BODY OF CHRIST, was persecuted and murdered and hunted down like dogs. From that perspective it probably was better not to marry. We were always told to MULTIPLY and procreate. If Pauls words were taken as an absolute for everyone at all time, we would be like the Shakers...EXTINCT.

Are You A Faith Expert
Micah 5:12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand, and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:

Seeing the Orthodox and RCC or Catholic Church practices these things openly, these things God has CUT OFF, and rebuked , would show that only those who continue to practice are a CULT in KNOWING disobedience to God. Another description of Mystery Babylon abomination to God.

And they brag about it......

Should We Break The Law
Michael_e, using caps to accentuate a word has nothing to do with the definition of "ignorance". Again, just another made up bunch of nonsnese you throw out here as some sort of badge of brilliance on your part??? Hardly! Your ignorance underhandedly said McCain was not a war hero.

Many people here use CAPS, which you accuse of being ignorant. SAD!

I know you are still angry because you chose to define THE MYSTERY by your own definition rather than God's, which is Colossians 1:24-27, which is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY.

Ignorant people are those who dont understand the TRUE definition of issues. Please know the definition of IGNORANT as well before ignorantly using the word to assult another.

Should We Break The Law
Again, there are so many areas of those choosing jobs that these guys know are dangerous. Firefighters, are another. These also are HEROS, who risk their lives every day for you and me. They KNOW they could die, yet lay down their own life for others.

Our Military, Police, Fire Fighters, etc even those who choose to go into dangerous countries to save others, re: child trafficking, witnessing, distributing bibles where it's illegal....THESE ARE ALL HEROS, WHETHER THEY LIVE OR DIE.

Should We Break The Law
Exactly StrongAxe, something McCain never stooped to, even when Bush's campaign lied about McCain fathering a black child...when in fact John and Cindy adopted a girl from Bangladesh. You saw her at the funeral...if you watched. That was the lowest of low, yet McCain did not render evil for evil, but rose above. That is what a true Christian does, that you all hate and mock.

Shame on you all. Trump is vicious, and not welcomed from many decent countries around the world.

Judge Amy Barrett A Christian
What I believe:
The next reference we find in the Bible to this serpent is in John 3:14. Jesus indicated that this bronze serpent was a foreshadowing of Him. The serpent, a symbol of sin and judgment, was lifted up from the earth and put on a tree, which was a symbol of a curse (Galatians 3:13). The serpent lifted up and cursed symbolized Jesus, who takes away sin from everyone who would look to Him in faith, just like the Israelites had to look to the upraised symbol in the wilderness. Paul is reminding the Galatians that Jesus became a curse for us, although He was blameless and sinlessthe spotless Lamb of God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Finish It Here August 2018
Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness and princes shall rule in judgment.

This prophecy YET to be fulfilled, Herod KNEW and KNEW at the time he was sitting on the throne, that he was an imposter. This is why when Jesus was born that Herod wanted to have Jesus killed. This is why Joseph and Mary fled. This is WHY and WHAT Jesus was accused of ....being the Son of God who was to take that throne. YET we see in Zechariah it is the GLORIFIED CHRIST who takes the throne. It was GODS plan all along that Jesus had to suffer and die FIRST, before that could be wasn't CANCELLED, because Jesus went to the cross.

The Kingdom WILL be restored at the FATHERS TIMING ...Matt 24-25 and Acts 1:6-7.

Judge Amy Barrett A Christian
John 3:14-16

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Good Works For Salvation
Now some believe Barnabas wrote Hebrews. It may very well be so. The same Barnabas we see in Acts 4 long before Paul comes on the scene. Seeing Barnabas was a Levite, and seeing Hebrews is so wonderfully explained in all the types and shadows of everything that pointed to Jesus Christ death, re animal sacrifice...the lambs and goat blood that only COVERED until the Promised Messiah came and FINISHED the works from before the foundation of the world.

Yes the Same Barnabas that was a FELLOWWORKER in the Gospel,with Paul.

Yet, the earthly Kingdom Gospel NEVER promised to bring sons unto GLORY. ...Glory is that of being HEAVENLY, not earthly.

Good Works For Salvation
The prophets spoke about a promised land given to a chosen nation ruling in an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem, Paul spoke of Jews and Gentiles reigning in heavenly places judging angels (Eph 2:6).
---michael_e on 8/12/18

Ok, so salvation comes to the Gentiles through Israel's fall....or by Israel preaching another Gospel? Which one? So Israel fell, and what, God gave them the Kingdom gospel to preach as some boobie prize? All without a nation? Israel didn't even become a Nation until 1948...after it was scattered. So that prophecy I bolded above is YET to happen PLEASE READ Isaiah 14* still yet to be fulfilled prior to any earthly Kingdom.

If the truth is denigrating to you, then be denigrated.

Good Works For Salvation
Michael_e, here's where you fall short. You refuse to address the issues brought before you. Re: Barnabas for one. And why would Peter recruit a Gentile ...Cornelius, to join the Kingdom restored to Israel, WHERE IN FACT GENTILES WILL BE IN SUBMISSION TO THE JEWS.

There is no directive, as you see in the Gospels for anyone to go to the Gentile dogs. Nothing states Corneluis became a Jew and went through some Hebrew ritual including circumcision, like we saw the tries to do in Galatia. ...Intelligent folks know this. YOU however ignore it or will make up some OUTRAGEOUS reason to explain it away.

Also Romans 11 prove your doctrine is bogus.


Good Works For Salvation
Correct Cluny, 40 days with them and 10 days waiting for the Holy Spirit. Thank you for that correction. I would think in 40 they covered a lot of issues. Yet somehow Michael_e seems to think none of them knew Jesus rose from the dead, and only was that revealed to Paul.

Now Michael_e has added imaginary apostles of Paul, hand picked and converted by Paul to be another set of Apostles ....I guess they would be called The Apostles and prophets explicitly of the MYSTERY. Yet no scripture backs that up.

But your faith believes in the succession of Apostleship doesn't it? Peter appointing his own apostles to carry on the preaching of the earthly kingdom restored to Israel....unto this day..correct?

Good Works For Salvation
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Yes it is important to compare scripture with scripture. The verse above Michael_e says DOES NOT BELONG TO THE CHURCH, was never taught as a promise of any Earthly Kingdom reign. This however is taught to the Church the BOC, being CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE, putting on Christ.

So it's Michael_e, not understanding the MYSTERY in the first place who fails to compare scripture with scripture.

I can show so much more, but you have unfortunately been brainwashed , not leaving any room for the Lord to work in your life. So sad. So very sad.

Good Works For Salvation
Also Michael_e, the Jews REJECTED Jesus as their KING, because He didn't live up to some sort of standards they invisioned. Their KING was to overthrow Rome, which Jesus did not. That's why Judas betrayed Jesus. So to say the Jews OPEN HEARTEDLY accepted Jesus as their KINGDOM NOW KING of the Restored Israel, is not true. They called Him a Blasphemer for even suggesting He was the Son of God.

And Michael, Jesus actually has to be ON EARTH to set up this Kingdom you insist on. So While He is in Heaven, it's the CHURCH that is being established, and THEN at His 2nd Coming, THEN He will set up the Earthly Kingdom. Zechariah 12-14..

Good Works For Salvation
1 Peter 1:10-13Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven, which things the angels desire to look into.13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

Good Works For Salvation
Also Michael_no intelligent person would REFUSE to read all the facts posted here, and no intelligent person would take what is CLEARLY DEFINED as the MYSTERY and make it something else. Isaiah 53 fortold of Jesus sufferings on the Cross. Things that were prophesied yet ..LIKE REVELATION ...although it's all there, much is hidden from our understanding.

The MYSTERY of GODLINESS is the MYSTERY....of CHRIST IN YOU...and those who have CHRIST IN THEM make up the BOC, both Jew and Gentile, making ONE NEW MAN.

And even with that the 8th day circumcision also foreshadowed the NEW CREATURES, ....explained and now revealed in Colossians 2. The CHURCH defined as CHRIST IN YOU, is the Mystery....Colossians 1:24-27.

Good Works For Salvation
Let's look closely at the verses in question. Paul is talking about the Gospel of GRACE that we also see was shown to Abraham ( PLEASE SEE Galatians 3) God did NOT preach the Gospel of the KINGDOM to Abraham.

25 -27Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ.

Please note the above is all one sentence .....not two different subject matters.

Good Works For Salvation
Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

James 2:4. Is not talking about the LAW, or the works of the LAW. Abraham was before the LAW, and Abrahams OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, was not a LAW he worked. Read the content....before just jumping on a single verse without reading the content to understand the meaning. Paul clearly teaches OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY IN ROMANS 16:24-27. But now is made manifest by the scriptures of the Prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting God....

So Pauls Gospel was prophecied ...of which now we see and understand.

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