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True Righteous People
  
Kathr4453: Part 1

U asked:
///Why too, didn't Jesus allow the Pharisees to stone the woman taken in adultery? Did Jesus then in fact not keep the TORAH?///

Let's have Christ take the stage to share Truth, so we don't keep wiping our noses with His words and throwing them in the trash, and keep the precepts of men.

How did Christ keep Torah by not stoning adulterous woman?

Because per our savior's lips, Law INCLUDES MERCY:

Matt 23:23 the WEIGHTIER matters OF THE LAW, justice, and
>>> MERCY <<< and faith: but these you ought to have done

But exactly why was Christ able to apply mercy to the adulterous woman, instead of stoning her, and still keep Torah? In Part 2


Forgiveness Before Sinning
  
JackB:

U forgot Matthew 7:20-23:

Surely then by
their :FRUITS ye shall KNOW them. 21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord,
Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but who doeth the>>> will <<my :Father who is in the heavens.

22 Many will say to me in that :day, Lord,
Lord, did we not prophesy in thy :name, and in thy :name cast out demons,
and in thy :name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess to them
[that] I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work :lawlessness.

Another part of the Father's will is to keep His commandments, this is part of the Fruits!!

WILL u learn the words of Christ or men?


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
Lee1538:

You said:
Sort of blews a huge hole in your belief that man had be taught right from wrong.///

Lee were you born kwowing right and wrong?

Why don't you know of:

Abel's procedures of sin offering, first born, Fat burnt ofering of what is holy, just and good from the Torah Lev. 4:32-35, RIGHT AND ACCEPTED BY the Father?

Why didn't you know of right,sin offering of Christ you needed, until grown?


Why did you accept Christ's was it not because of your sin? He who sins does was IS NOT RIGHT? Again stop reading commentaries.


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
Lee1538:
I will show you the weakness of your answer with your own words:
The question you asked me to answer is:
What Scripture Authority shows law of Genesis 26:5 is same as MT. Sinai?
My answer:
2 Timothy 2:15
2Ti 2:15 Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth. Genesis 26:5 is of the same covenant of the Mosaic Covenant.
Convince of my position, reasoning that Gen. 26:5 is same as Mt. Sinai, based on above Scripture?
No? I thought so.
Well neither am I convinced of your so called proofor nor would any true child of the Father be convinced with your Scripture proof!


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
Lee,
2Timothy 2:15

Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth.

This is in reference to His Word altogether, this Doesn't deny issue in question:

Are His laws, statutes, commandments Father said Abraham kept, different than law of Mt. Sinai?

You have no Scripture authority to show 26:5 are different laws not of Mt. Sinai.

You RELY on COMMENTS of MEN, what they THINK OF VERSE 7 1 John, not even pointing to Scripture 4 their reasoning.

Matthew 19:16-21
Christ said keep commandments and follow me. Not follow me up to a point as you read in commentaries.

Do you consent to Christ's teachings 4 ENTERING LIFE?


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
Lee1538:

29 If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that EVERY ONE also that doeth righteousness is begotten of Him

Every one that DOES DOES DOES DOES righteousness is begotten of Him.

Righteousness is not just about a mental belief in Him. You must do do righteousness.


Are you begotten of Him and do Rightousness?


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
Lee1538:
1,2 John written approx at least 30 yrs into the Church age, after the resurrection of Christ, teaches:

John Apostle speaks:
What part of beginning dont we understand?

1Jo 2:7 Beloved, no new commandment write I unto you, but an old commandment which ye had FROM THE BEGINNING: the old commandment is the word which ye heard.

2Jo 1:6 And THIS IS LOVE, that we should WALK AFTER his commandments. This is the commandment, even as ye heard FROM THE BEGINNING, that ye SHOULD WALK in it.

Commandments were from beginning not from Mt. Sinai? There was no Israel at beginning nor Israelites.

What Scripture authority do you have showing Gen. 26.5 is not His Law of Mt. Sinai?


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
1 John written approx at least 30 yrs into the Church age, after the resurrections of Christ, teaches:

He speaks of commandment from the beginning:
What part of beginning dont we understand?

1Jo 2:7 Beloved, no new commandment write I unto you, but an old commandment which ye had FROM THE BEGINNING: the old commandment is the word which ye heard.

2Jo 1:6 And THIS IS LOVE, that we should WALK AFTER his commandments. This is the commandment, even as ye heard FROM THE BEGINNING, that ye should walk in it.

Commandments were from beginning not from Mt. Sinai? There was no Israel at beginning nor Israelites.

What Scripture authority do you have showing Gen. 26.5 is not His Law of Mt. Sinai?


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
What Scripture Authority shows law of Genesis 26:5 is same as MT. sinai?

I was afraid you would ask that.

Since you don't have much understanding of the Torah meaning teaching instructions of our Father. And not law as men think.

I will take it easy on you, and begin with the Sabbath, for your sake, for starters, I'll use the New Testament.

Mark 2:27 Jesus said... The sabbath was
made for :man, (not sabbath was made for Jew)

Since the Sabbath was made for MAN.

Do you think He would keep it from MAN all the way to the Law of Moses?

I will not continue on monologue, Please answer my questions.


Rituals To Become Righteous
  
What Scripture Authority shows law of Genesis 26:5 is same as MT. sinai?

I was afraid you would ask that.

Since you don't have much understanding of the Torah meaning teaching instructions of our Father. And not law as men think.

I will take it easy on you, and begin with the Sabbath, for your sake, for starters, I'll use the New Testament.

Mark 2:27 Jesus said... The Sabbath was
made for: man, (not Sabbath was made for Jew)

Since the Sabbath was made for MAN.

Do you think our Father would keep it AWAY from MAN all the way to the Law of Moses?


Are The Remant Chosen
  
Lee1538:
Sin "the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4, ) or "lawlessness" according to faithful translation of Greek numeric value.

"Where there is no law there is no transgression" (Romans 4:15).

IN GENESIS.Father send a flood because of wickedness. He measured wickedness, to what standard? To His standards!

His holy character not changing, what is evil/sin does not change for Him.

Clear example. IN GENESIS...20:3-9 and 39:7-9 describe adultery a "sin against our Father." Adultery breaks the Seventh Commandment .. of Law of mount Sinai! I could go on

WHAT SCRIPTURE AUTHORITY do you have SHOWING GENESIS 26:5 IS NOT THE LAW OF MT. SINAI?


Obedience Gets You To Heaven
  
Im A and B Explained:

1John 3:4-9
4 Every one that doeth :sin doeth also :lawlessness, and :sin
is :lawlessness... 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: Every one that
doeth sin hath not seen him, neither hath known him.
7 Little children, let no one lead you astray: who doeth :righteousness is righteous, even as HE is righteous: 8 who doeth :sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. TO THIS END was the Son of :God MANIFESTED, that he might
destroy the works of the devil. 9 Every one BORN of :God doeth no sin

Should we BECOME WITH THE UNDERSTANDING of the Apostles or the apostates?

Are you after His ways, or precepts of men?


Obedience Gets You To Heaven
  
Jerry6593:


Some people say they beleive in an all powerful God. But really their God is rather small, not so powerful God in their heart, until they grow in their understanding of His powers.

I think JackB needs growth in the areas of Phil 4:13 Jude, 1:24 and 1 John 3:4-9


What Is Righteousness
  
Lee1538:

//John 1:17 for the law was given by Moses, but grace and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ.///

TRUTH also came by Christ!

Should we trash the COMPLETE truth that Christ brings?

Or keep Grace a part of Truth only? And throw the rest of Truth His Law in the trash?

Will you consent to Christ's BASIC teachings at least, per 1 Timothy 6:3-4 ??

John 17:17

SANCTIFY THEM in the TRUTH: THY WORD is TRUTH

No New Testament, when said.

His lips answers what you don't seem to understand:

What is TRUTH?

....THY WORD is TRUTH, pointing to His Father's, Law and the Prophets! ALL OF IT!

Lee, are u being sanctified INTO the apostates brand of Truth?


What Is Righteousness
  
Lee1538:

You say:

///....your contention that Abraham followed the Mosaic laws is without any merit whatsoever.///

Our Father, speaking to Isaac. Speaking of Abraham Father said:

Genesis 26:5 - BECAUSE that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept MY charge, MY commandments, MY statutes, and MY laws.

Lee, when Father said Abraham KEPT "MY" laws etc, He means only HIS LAWS, which Abel, Cain, Noah, King of Gerar(Genesis 20) and his men knew, and others!

WHAT DOES "MY" MEAN TO YOU?

If Abraham's KEPT other laws, this would not of His Torah and rebellion!

Please study Torah, I don't want to embarass you.

There is His Law, He upholds, of His covenants, which Abel Cain knew.


What Is Righteousness
  
Mark Eaton, lee1538, JackB:

Romans 3:21
But now apart from law, Gods righteousness hath been
manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,

In other words, this verse is saying:

God's righteousness is manifested in the law, additonally its COMPLEMENTED (not belittled) because its manifested, witnessed by the law AND the prophets.

You boys misunderstand what Ive said, for the record:

MY salvation and my sanctification INTO RIGHTEOUSNESS is by my FAITH IN the works of Christs death on the cross because of the powers there of.....

My righteousness is NOT IN my works of the law, on my own, ever!


Why So Many Denominations
  
1Timothy 6:3 If ANY MAN teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, toTHE doctrine which is according to godliness,
4 He is proud, knowing nothing

DoYOU consent TO teachings from Christ's lips?

Matthew19:16 what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17.none good but one, God: but if thou will ENTER into life, KEEP the commandments

John 15:10 IF YOU KEEP my COMMANDMENTS, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 14:15 IF YOU loveME, keep my commandments.

Are you goint to CONTRADICT Christ's teachings? can you explain yourself?

Or is it that are you're proud, knowing nothing?


Why So Many Denominations
  
GARY:
IF you actually accept the ENTIRE Bible as God's Word, how did you miss these?

Exodus 24:8, Ezekiel 44:7

Zec 9:11 As for thee also, because of the blood of thy covenant I have set free thy prisoners

Hebr 13:20 Now the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant, [even] our Lord Jesus,

Mar 14:24 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Hebr 9:18 Wherefore even the first [covenant] hath not been dedicated without blood.


Hebr 9:20 This is the blood of the covenant which God COMMANDED to you-ward.
The covenant is connected to His blood, not testament?


Why So Many Denominations
  
Gary:
Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is POURED out for many (

ASV BEST NOT KJV why:

In Greek the transcript, you find NO corresponding numerical value for new in entire VERSE! IN this verse apostates add new!

Covenant/ Greek G1242 word is translated correctly, in other verses, for instance, Luke 1:72 when BLEEDING do you shed/pour blood or testament?

Did Christ PROPHESY TO shed testament or His blood?

Blood symbolic of His shed blood of the covenant Moses sprinled on the people,did not sprinkle testament on them Exodus 24:8

Should we keep the understanding of Moses symbolic events or bad translations of apostates?
Wont say more unless you know of Hebrew/Greek numerics.



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