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Fallen Humans Incarnation
  

I appreciate Strongaxe for admitting that he cant show from the Scriptures withchapter and verse that, "The confusion is because Adam+Eve heard two conflicting messages from God and Serpent, but had no way to know which was right, as they had never heard a lie before."

The chapters and verses were pointed out to him and he still couldn't show...

Readers join me and praying that Strongaxe comes to know the God of Holy Scripture the God he so flamboyantly denies...


Is Jesus God
  



david8318 said, "
Paul applied Ps.102:25-27 to Jesus because Paul said elsewhere that the Son is the one through whom Jehovah performed creative works- Col.1:15,16."

But the context of Paul writing in Heb 1 contradicts you vs 5, 6, and 8.

Col 1:15-17 Paul establishes that Jesus is Jehovah because only Jehovah alone can create not a mere clreature as your asserting...

Also, firstborn means preeminace not a matter of being born...

David8318 refuses to address Heb 1:10-12 and even though he cite Col 1:15-17 Paul utterly contradicts him...

Sir, I plead with you to repent and call on Jesus The Only True God to save you...



Baptize Our Babies
  
nicole said, "I will drop this part of the debate with you. I will only debate your Sola Scriptura claim in the next blogs."

Ms. Lacy, it makes no difference because you reject Sola Scriptura,therefore, you cant allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves.

Several postings have posted explaining that baptism in the NT address salvation, circumcision in the Ot addresses nationality/ethnicity...



Is Jesus God
  
david8318 said, "
Paul applied Ps.102:25-27 to Jesus because Paul said elsewhere that the Son is the one through whom Jehovah performed creative works- Col.1:15,16."

But the context of Paul writing in Heb 1 contradicts you vs 5, 6, and 8.

Col 1:15-17 Paul establishes that Jesus is Jehovah because only Jehovah alone can create not a mere clreature as your asserting...

Also, firstborn means preeminace not a matter of being born...

David8318 refuses to address Heb 1:10-12 and even though he cite Col 1:15-17 Paul utterly contradicts him...

Sir, I plead with you to repent and call on Jesus The Only True God to save you...


Is Jesus God
  
david8318 said, "John9346 must therefore be wrong in his understanding of Heb.1:8. And he is!"

Actually your argument is with Paul so are you denying that Paul is not identifying the Lord Jesus in Heb 1:10-12? If you are then you must also deny that Ps. 102 is not talking about Yahweh-Jehovah??

The majority of Bibles state Heb 1:8, "Thy trhone O God is forever and ever." only some translate as you state...

But if we take David8318's Position Paul is contradicting himself and is a very confused apostle...


Fallen Humans Incarnation
  

strongaxe said, "What I wrote is common sense, not scripture. YOU explain how Adam, having never heard a lie before, would know to believe God but not the Serpent?"

Strongaxe, how do or where did you learn about Adam, Eve, and the serpent? The bible right??

You and I both know you didn't learn about Adam and the fall from common sense...

So now i'm going to ask you before all the readers again, "Please shhow from the Scriptures withchapter and verse that, "The confusion is because Adam+Eve heard two conflicting messages from God and Serpent, but had no way to know which was right, as they had never heard a lie before."


Fallen Humans Incarnation
  

strongaxe said, "I never said I don't sin. Trump did. Again, you pull total rubbish out of your own imagination, then accuse me of it."

Sir, respectfully, please pay attention,

I didn't accuse you I simply asked you so to better understand what you believe...

I also don't no what Trump has to do with my question to you since I never mentioned him in my question to you???


Explain Acts 8:37
  
nicole said, "I don't remember asking you that this round, but I have been wrong before."

Nicole read prior you asked for sources

Nicole, ame for us all
My challenge to you is name me 1 Church father in context of his writing who believe the apocrypha was Scripture??


Is Jesus God
  

david8318 said, "Paul applied Ps.102:25-27 to Jesus because Paul said elsewhere that the Son is the one through whom Jehovah performed the creative works."

But Paul writing by the Holy Spirit contradicts you in vs 8 again applying Ps. 45:6 to the Lord when he states, ""Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever, a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom"

Paul is definite and intentional


Is Jesus God
  

strongaxe said, "John 12:39-41 quotes what ISAIAH said. John 20:28 quotes what THOMAS said. In neither of these was JESUS actually speaking, so neither of these scriptures addresses what Jesus SAID."

But John writing by the Holy Spirit says that the Lord Jesus did say he was God and that Isaiah saw Jesus. So now John and Thomas calls you a liar...

I sincerely appreciate you letting me know you don't believe in the Scriptures I respect a man who is forthcoming about what he believes... you are a perfect example of what happens when Sola Scriptura is rejected.

May God be gracious to bring you to repentance,

John


Fallen Humans Incarnation
  

strongaxe:

I'm still waiting I asked before for you to show from the Scriptures withchapter and verse that, "The confusion is because Adam+Eve heard two conflicting messages from God and Serpent, but had no way to know which was right, as they had never heard a lie before."

So Strongaxe do you not sin??


Explain Acts 8:37
  

reuben:

"To the same people that rejected he Messiah!"

But didn't Jerome Origen, and Augustine take from the Jews referring to the OT in their writings?

Did any Church Father ever say never to listen or learn from the Jews?

"John read it slowly, he said "even if it were" not that they were not!"

But to which book did he recognize in vs 2 had Apostolic Authority?

Did he say in vs 3 that Maccabees had Apostolic Authority yes or no?


Is Jesus God
  

strongaxe said, "john0346 SPECIFICALLY wrote: Because the Lord Jesus said he was God The Second Person of The Blessed Trinity.
which is incorrect. Jesus may have IMPLIED those things, but he never actually SAID them, as neither he nor anyone else used the terms "Second Person"

Strongaxe, in Jn 12:39-41 who did John say Isaiah saw??

What did Thomas utter in Jn 20:28??


Is Jesus God
  
strongaxe said, "
None of the scriptures you quoted use the WORDS "Trinity" or "Second Person"."

Sir, its obvious your not taking time to read the Scriptures I brought to your attention...

John is exhaustive in writing that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Second person of the Blessed Trinity.

I challenge to sir you address the verses and stop using Logical fallicies Arguments...


Is Jesus God
  

david8318 said, "Fuse pagan trinities with Platonic philosophy and you have Christendom's "trinity"."

wow! so Paul is a pagan?? because Paul writing by the Holy Spirit in Heb 1:10-12 identified the Lord Jesus as Jehovah when he applied Ps. 102:25-27 to the Lord Jesus...

See, (NWT)
And: At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain, and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.+


Fallen Humans Incarnation
  

strongaxe said, "The confusion is because Adam+Eve heard two conflicting messages from God and Serpent, but had no way to know which was right, as they had never heard a lie before."

Can you show this from the Scriptures withchapter and verse??

In addition, you need to repent of your sins my friend see, Rom 3:23, 10-12...


Explain Acts 8:37
  
Hello Readers:

Nicole asked me for sources from the Church Fathers that they rejected the apocrypha when I provided the sources to her she refused to even look at them yet she wants us all to just believe what she says but she cant provide any contextual historical facts to support her claim.

Ms. Lacy,

My challenge to you is name me 1 Church father in context of his writing who believe the apocrypha was Scripture??


Explain Acts 8:37
  

reuben said, "
The Jews also rejected the Messiah,"

But who were the Oracles of God entrusted to??

Reuben, in vs 2 Augustine states Apostolic Authority to 2 Cor 5:8-10, but not to Maccabees in vs 3.

Also, he goes on to say in vs 3 that it shouldn't be believed because its not in The Holy Scriptures that if believed Maccabees was Scripture he wouldn't have made this statement because it would contradict...


Explain Acts 8:37
  

nicole said, "Ridiculous! If Luther wasn't born you would STILL have a 73 Book Bible as me."

False as stated several times to you Jerome, Augustine, Origen, John of Damascus, etc. all rejected the apocrypha if you look at when they were born many centuries before Luther...

So long before Luther Christians knew that the added books decided by Trent in 1546 were arroneous...
see, citations...


Explain Acts 8:37
  



""During the same time also those things were done which are written in the book of Judith, which, indeed, the Jews are said not to have received into the canon of the scriptures ...""

"The Jews do not have this Scripture which is called Maccabees, as they do the law and the prophets, to which the Lord bears testimony as to his witnesses."

Augustine



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