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Baptism Spiritual Effects
David, let me add you never taught me this fact. You accused me without proof, I rebuked your false accusations.... Therefore I TAUGHT YOU ...HOPEFULLY TO STOP LYING AND ACCUSING.

The very FACT that we are created IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works that God has before ordained that we should walk in.....should have been enough for even a simple minded person to comprehend.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
David, Since you want to still be under the law, Gal 4, still having a vail over your eyes..2 Cor 3, trying to establish your own righteousness Romans 10, you are a Pharisee as we see in scripture who murders and sets out intentionally to murder those who's faith is in Jesus Christ who profess HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Scripture is steeped with your kind...and your behavior and words expose you.

My conversation is over with You David. You twist, falsely accuse, make up things to accuse....and it's getting sickening. I thought the lesser was to call you stupid.....the fact are EVIL. Much worse. You are clearly an enemy of the CROSS. Go ahead and throw a's expected of you.

Baptism Spiritual Effects

Galatians 4:7
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

No scripture teaches once we become sons that we no longer serve the Lord.

Did you not read the verses I posted? Do you not know it has to do with our POSITION and not our activity? Did Paul who claimed to be a son not also say he serves the Lord. Can't you read the text to get it's understanding rather then make up garbage?

Baptism Spiritual Effects
You were once a follower of Jesus Christ, but then God made you a Son, an heir to his throne. And as an heir, God is no longer your master. Will you also sit at the right hand of God?
---David on 6/12/19

David, when you FIRST acknowledge your comment here is your own foolish thinking not in scripture and apologize for it.....maybe we'll talk. But every time I catch you in a lie or false just snake around it with another approach. Not buying it. To become a son/ daughter does not say we no longer serve the Lord. HOW UTTERLY STUPID YOUR COMMENT IS. it's really hard for me to relate to mental midgets. Sorry!

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Steveng, I understand what you are saying about LOVE, as it is evaporating from everywhere. And having a president now as supposedly a representative of Christianity really brings that home, as we see more division and name calling and retaliation .....and many now are following his pattern rendering evil for evil. Also setting a pattern that one can be so arrogant as to think they are above the law, setting a horrible pattern for our younger generation to follow. We already see those who follow him are also,disobeying the law....because they think he is giving them permission....showing HATE towards those doing their job. Times are going to get more evil.

Do you have to belong to a denomination to be saved...NO.

Baptism In The Epistles
Actually scripture says...THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. Also says the WORD is God.

We need to also understand the Holy Ghost is also GOD, but the Holy Ghost was not made flesh.

Before Jesus incarnation was God,
the WORD and the Holy Ghost.

Also we see in 1 John 1 they testify they handled THE WORD OF LIFE, as in the Person of Jesus Christ , And Revelation says AND HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD, as in THE PERSON.

One God in three persons. The human mind may not be able to wrap it's mind around...and we are not asked to....but FAITH is not about human reasoning, but simply taking God at His Word. THE WORD IS GOD.

Jesus Attend Your Church
JS1234, only according to Republicans. However Jesus is neither. And since FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, meaning all mankind he created, That He gave His only Begotten Son, That whosoever believes, will not perish but have everlasting life.....shows He's not a racist either.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Also Steveng, Gods word is not still changing. Scripture always prophecied there woud be a change. The Promise of the NEW COVENANT was fortold in the OT. So we can put our faith in that it has come to pass.

Religions like Mormonism have never been in scripture in any way shape or form. Using the Word of God in forcing verses here and there to try to fit this foul doctrine what all cults do. And when shown its taken out of context...they always get nasty about it.

But to say we are still under the Law...scripture clearly states we are not. To say the Church is Israel, says we are a NEW CREATION ..totally NEW. Its just folks only want to believe what they want to believe instead of what God said to believe.

Correct Bible Interpretation
Strongaxe, One thing I know is we are "exercised" to know good from evil, truth from lie, and able to eat strong meat....not just drink milk, as we mature in truth. So I also believe it's the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth, and protects us from false teachers. So the secret follow the leading of the Holy Spirit...not men. God has given Gifts for the work of the ministry. Ephesians 4. When one has the Indwelling Holy Spirit, we can know others who do as well..and we also know as Jude so ungently stated...who are the clouds without water. In the end we are all individually accountable to the Lord on how we built upon the Foundation of Christ. wood, hay and stubble, or GOLD SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONE...

Baptism Spiritual Effects
2 Corinthians 6: 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

not 2 And 6:18....a mis -post below. Posting the whole verse as it is most significant.

If Mormons tell you we have the same beliefs...WE DO NOT.

And one David in his pride and envy will mutilate because obviously he is stating he is not a son. wonder he doesn't understand the deeper things of Salvation by GRACE. ITS GRACE that brought us to becoming sons and joint heirs with Christ. That was NEVER promised to earthly Israel under the law.

And when Jesus said you will no longer be servants but sons....Steveng, reiterates chria9296 Hebrews 7:12 verse.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
David, What a perversion of your understanding of sons and heirs. Hebrews 12:7-8 says you are either a son or an illigitimate. NO SCRIPTURE states what you just posted. I can't help your corrupted understanding of Jesus words John 8:35 fulfilled in Galatians 4:7 Paul reiterating what Jesus promised. 2 For 6:18, Gal 4:5-6, Phil 2:15, Heb 2:10, 1 John 3:1-2.

No David, YOUR BELIEF shows your false beliefs not mine. Those IN CHRIST are already seated in heavenly places IN CHRIST. EPHESIANS 2:6,

Why are you so hell bent on falsely accusing me, or perverting scripture? Envy perhaps? My beliefs are clearly stated in scripture. It has nothing g to do with protestants...but BELIEVERS IN THE WORD OF GOD, you clearly show you are not.

Correct Bible Interpretation
Those IN CHRIST have the mind of Christ, who study to show thyself approved rightly dividing the word of truth....because Christ is made unto US wisdom and Knowledge OF HIM. Of HIS MIND. Those outside of Christ possess no such thing. So who then is the US? Scripture says it is the BOC, those IN CHRIST.

The Holy Spirit is given to US to lead US into all truth. "He" is our teacher, just as Jesus promised.

So don't put your faith in the wisdom of men, but in God. We also have an unction from the Holy One to discern truth from lie, being exercised to know good from know false teachers when they appear.

The only CORRECT interpretation comes from the Holy Spirit who is STILL ACTIVELY TEACHING.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Steveng, I know you have issues learning to rightly divide the Word of God. Firstly we see in scripture THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH. But from the very beginning of time we see in the OT...THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.

I also presume you are a sabbath keeper and that is why you hold your views.

The physical law has you physically keeping the sabbath....however Hebrews 3-4 explain under the NT, we ENTER HIS REST...which can only be done BY FAITH IN HIM. The Most awesome part of the NT or New Covenant is having that PEACE with God and PEACE OF God that passes all understanding, and SURPASSES all understanding as one experiences Ephesians 3:14-21. Keeping the LAW will never bring you there. Only GRACE WILL.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Here's the way it goes. Those who are Christ's , who have obeyed Romans 6:10-17 to yield....aka SURRENDER your members as those alive from the dead unto God, God promises to fulfill these promises in you, THAT SIN WILL NO LONGER HAVE power/ dominion over you.....
AND God working in you to will and to do of His good pleasure is evidenced by: Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
David, who was Paul talking to in Romans 2? Those who REJECTED the Lord? Those who worshiped the creature more than the creator? Those who seared their own hearts? Or those who received Him, believe in Him, have faith in Him? Receiving all the Promises that come with Receiving Him?

Since I've received Jesus Christ, I am a SON and no longer a servant. I also have been given a NEW LIFE IN HIM, and HE IN ME. So your verses don't address me.

Do they address you perhaps? Also David, you don't need to BOLD it does not empower those words more. Maybe a word or phrase to stand out.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
David, I live in the NT under a totally different Covenant than you do. You live by a done away with Covennany. RE: 2 Corinthians 3

"your sin and iniquity I will remember no more...Hebrews 8-10 "

I simply do not live under an old done away with covenant. And under the OT sin was only covered, not done away in Christ. HEBREWS10.

I know Mormons hate the Book of Hebrews. That I can't help you with. But it's a matter of FAITH in believing His Promises. You want to live BC...I live AD.

Also read Ezekiel 36. All of it. Prophecied of the NT. Tell many. " IF YOU WILL's" do you capture in that chapter? Now how many "I WILL " ( unconditional ) do you capture?

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Does Paul teach one is Crucified with Christ apart from faith, believing Jesus died for our sin? David, those who are crucified with Christ have gone above and beyond faith and repentance...and that is OBEDIENCE....becoming obedient unto death....keeping this mind in you that is also in Christ Jesus....I am crucified with Christ. gal 2:20-21....being made conformable to his death....Phil 3.

Your doctrine stops short of our being COMPLETE IN CHRIST. What you continue to do is state the above is another gospel....WRONG, it's what Jesus was praying about in John 17. It's just that it's over your head...and because it's over your head, you scoff at it.

Baptism In The Epistles
CLuny, I don't care what you say it does or doesn't's not in scripture in any way shape or form....

Just deal with that Cluny....not everyone believes as you do. You don't need to soil your depends over it either. Go take your meds, take a nap....and chill.

God's Grace On Noah
David I have explained here in 3 or more posts, as did Samuel that your idea is not in scripture. Actually YOU are the one making the false accusation AKA FALSE STATEMENT about Stephen and Paul , therefore YOU need to back that up with scripture....not just " Oh I think this or that" without scripture. WE don't need to keep following false teachers around proving them wrong. We CAN if we so choose. You seem to challenge all scripture that opposes your personal view..RE ROMANS 6-8 concerning sin. You still argue against the WORD of God...even when shown scripture proving you are wrong in other areas as well.

Now go back and read Acts 6 to find out why the already 12 needed these 7 in the first place.

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