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Baptism Gone Wrong
Do they make teen underage girls also get naked and stand naked before the congregation?

There was a church not to long ago where the pastor slept with his daughters...JUST LIKE THEY CLAIMED ADAM DID. In any event, NO SCRIPTURE STATES one is to be naked with Baptizm. That is a MAN MADE UP piece of crap tradition .

This should be looked into and the pastor should be arrested ( and parents if they agreed) for child abuse. We don't live in 50AD There are LAWS, and it may be some here were broken. If an adult themselves agrees to be baptized naked, and strutted in front of be it.....CHILDREN?????? that's another story of perversion hiding behind religion.

Corporal Punishment OK Teenager
Well Caitlan is nearly 30 I wonder how she is doing and what she has to say today.

Kids can be great until the teenage years, and then just test the waters so to speak, push the envelope, see what they can get away with. So to say the parents started to late is something someone would say who never had teens.

I was tough and today my kids say they are glad I was. I didn't have to use physical punishment to be tough.

Church Leaders Getting Wealth
Amen Josef....

Baptism Gone Wrong
Was your husband aware this was going to happen? I've never heard of such a thing. Your husband should have known better. What kind of church does this, so others can be warned? No scripture states one must be naked for baptism. Id get the authorities involved just as parents should who's children get molested. I see this as being molested. If you also knew beforehand this was going to happen, and DIDNT tell your son, you should all be put in jail. If he knows you both knew and didn't tell him, I don't blame him for not speaking to you. Your relationship with him may NEVER be the same again. You've lost his trust as parents, and protecting him as parents you totally failed.

He Takes Away Sin
Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Church Leaders Getting Wealth
Interestingly the Prosperity Gospel began with (Calvinism and Capitalism) and has permeated this false Gospel of America. And many who buy into this aren't necessarily Calvinist's. It's also based on this false Gospel of America that God took from Israel all it's EARTHLY BLESSINGS for obedience and Gave them to America ....where if we continue to claim we are a Christian Nation God' blessings of prosperity will be lavished on us. WRONG. And one day all this will come crashing down around us, and it will be devistating to those who put their faith in this FALSE GOSPEL.

God NEVER made a Covenant with a Gentile Nation....NEVER. Today Christians are strangers and pilgrims in this world. HEAVEN is our home...

He Takes Away Sin
Hebrews 10: 5 "Wherefore when He comes into the world, HE said: Sacrifice and offerings Thou has not desired, but A BODY Thou hast prepared for Me, see Hebrews 2:14-17, and 1 Peter 2:24 with Romans 6 .

Also read Hebrews 10:11-25. Especially verse 14.

This is my favorite chapter in scripture. But it's one you have to understand the whole chapter, not to be butchered by one verse . Without this understanding it's impossible to understand the Gospel of GRACE.

He Takes Away Sin
In the OT, the blood of bulls and goats only COVERED sin for a year....this COVERING and animal sacrifice going all the way back to Adam and Eve ( God covering them with animal skins) and Abel's animal sacrifice God accepted, but rejected Cain's wheat sacrifice, shows us right from the very beginning they Looked FORWARD to,the promise of the Messiah who would one day TAKE AWAY sin, ....and Jesus Blood took away sin, ONCE AND FOR ALL. You also see is in scripture stating Jesus was not and is not being sacrificed over and over for sin. Our sins ( those IN CHRIST ONLY) are FORGIVEN and taken away, past, present and future. Colossians 2:9-23, when we were crucified with Christ...again spoken about in Romans 6. Hebrews 10, Colossians 2.

What Are Lords Commandments
No one is SAVED by keeping the law. Justification is our salvation, and we are justified BY FAITH in what Jesus did, not what we do.

Secondly, sanctification, that is, after one is saved is being conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ, being CHANGED FROM GLORY TO GLORY BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. 2 Corinthians 3, again something the Lord does, not something we do.

No saved person chooses to sin. So the argument is MUTE.....and only an issue with those who have no clue what being IN CHRIST is about. So all this excessive talk is just more of people to sound more righteous than they really are. OUR righteousness Is the righteousness of Christ. Please know the difference.

He Is A Devout Catholic
It is true that Baptist's have various differences in doctrine. There are Southern Baptists, Northern Baptist's, free will Baptist's, independent Baptist's , Primitive Baptist's, and so many more. Some are VERY Legalistic, some are Calvin, some are anti Calvin .....

Does it mean they believe the same because they all say they are Baptist's? NO. Then there's that AWEFUL Baptist Church, you all know who,I'm talking about, who boycott military funerals etc.

Being Baptist is no guarantee one is saved OR has a corner on the TRUTH. But unfortunately many hold dear that they are Baptist's BEFORE Christians. This is a sign too of cult like behavior.

What Are Lords Commandments
David, I've checked around other threads and see others likeminded have rebuked you. Micha for one. I just see those who believe the Gospel of Grace have actually left CN. Others still here do defend GRACE/FAITH, but for the most part, it's just an endless argument that ends in insults and fighting and smoke screens. BUT in no way does that prove YOU are right and those who oppose legalized grace are wrong. You continue to suggest you are right every time I say I'm done. Stupid me keeps biting that fake worm. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL DAVID. Ya Just can't help those suffering from delusions.

And only YOU changed the subject, to hating your mother and father etc, when things got a little hot for you. Your NOT right David.

What Are Lords Commandments
Back to the subject.

Romans 9: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are OF FAITH ,the same are the children of Abraham.

Let's let scripture teach us TRUTH as to who the "children of Abraham" are. The Covenant God made with Abraham ALSO was 430 years before any law.

Then we have the "Children of Israel" ....a totally different group.

When I hear LEGALISTS say Children of Abraham, I think.....JW or Mormon. No one else uses that reference.....unless out of TOTAL IGNORANCE. If that is the case, they should NOT be teaching anyone scripture.

What Are Lords Commandments
Melody, Deal with your own hypocricy first before judging others. Also,check out Galatians 1 and deal with THAT TRUTH FIRST.

David, that was not your original post, but I'm not going to argue with you. You seem to change your words often, so it's useless to continue with you.

You originally said (AFTER being taken to Paradise AFTER YOU KEPT THE LAW, ( because you kept the law,) you didn't want to leave and THAT left you suicidal. Now you claim you repented from contemplating life or death....and THAT is now why you are saved? I said before you were disconnected, changing your words often. Or just making up new words now ????

The LAW does not produce FRUIT David. Only walking in the Spirit does.

He Is A Devout Catholic
your offensive words towards Cluny ans StrongAxe are coming back to you and I just expected them as you always come against those whom you 'think' they don't agree with you (even thou they have the reason into doing it)!

Melody, Christian Love - your words don't show at all -- you accuse others of hypocrisy - and what about you? - since when I'm not supposed to expose THE TRUTH against those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? Would you come against THE LORD when HE admonish us to preach The Gospel of Salvation and to expose those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? - just remember this: HE IS THE ONLY PERFECT not any of us - as the Pharisees believed they were - blind/foolish ones!

What Are Lords Commandments
Melody, if have purposely refrained from answering you because you are also not well versed in scripture, your only well versed in attacking Catholics. I've also been aware you cannot defend salvation by GRACE, as you always seem to side with the law keepers. This is why I believe you are also a false teacher, hiding behind Catholic bashing to make folks think you are so spiritual. LOVE tells the truth Melody no matter how it hurts. You don't mind hurting the Catholics now do you, showing what a hypocrite you really are. You are a double minded man Melody, unstable in all your ways. Spouting off trying to sound so righteous is just more PhariseeISM. Jesus had pretty harsh words for you all. Are you also accusing Him too?

What Are Lords Commandments
David, the word suicidal came from you.

I find it interesting the verses you pluck out of scripture. I guess the Law of Christ now is to hate and not love? Funny but I dont see HATE as one of the fruit of the Spirit or see any of the NT Apostles expound upon hating anyone.

BUT what you see as literal, just may mean something else altogether. You would have to be spiritually minded to understand this one.

Your also not worthy David unless you give EVERYTHING you own to the poor...leaving you poor as well. What shelter do you live in? Food stamps? Welfare recipient are you? So you are a socialists too, living in communal circumstances? Remember you cant pick and choose what you want to participate in.

What Are Lords Commandments
kathr, have you read the part in Galatians that says that Jews are spiritually the children of the slave woman Hagar?---Cluny on 3/14/19

Paul explains this as a allegory. The children after the Flesh vs the children of PROMISE. You need to understand this allegory to understand the depth of what Paul was saying. Chapter 4 make clear that those who chose to be under the law, observing days , times , years etc, are still in bondage. May also reference Colossians 2 as comparative with that. Those are a shadow of things TO COME, most likely the 1000 year reign. That is not to the Church. We the CHURCH are ABOVE AND FREE, both Jew and Gentile making ONE NEW MAN. Christian Jews are not spiritual children of Hagar.

What Are Lords Commandments
It is concerning that David believes he went to Paradise and back, leaving him suicidal and empty handed. The truth is, when we are Born Again, aka born from above, we are literally raised up together with Christ, seated with Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST. THIS PLACE IS THE HIGHEST HEAVEN OF ALL. And once seated there we are always seated there....and it's no metaphor either. This place also does not leave you suicidal. It fills you with joy beyond words.

Christ Himself is my exceeding great reward. To God be the Glory for all He has done, and is able to KEEP all I've committed unto Him against that day. I've committed my whole life.

God bless David. I pray for you to find HIGHER GROUND that you don't have to leave.

What Are Lords Commandments
And David, there is no proof or back up to prove the Law of Christ is the New Covenant. The New Covenant replaced the old covenant. And no scripture says the Law of Christ is a Covenant anyway. The Covenanants in scripture are clearly defined as covenants. You rejected the LAW OF THE Spirit of the Life of Christ that set you free from the Law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. Also James refers to this as the Perfect Law of LIBERTY...LIBERTY meaning being set free from the power of sin.

God did not set me free to put me back under the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1. Another Book you refuse to read or obey.

David, there is NOTHING you can say that will change my belief in Galatians 2:20-21 just deal with it.

What Are Lords Commandments
David, it seems we are going in circles comparing apples to oranges. You confuse salvation with sanctification. God does not put His laws into an UNSAVED heart. And if you are keeping these laws to earn salvation, what need is there then to put in your heart.

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