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Predestined For Hell
  
John those in Isaiah you say we're already elect scripture shows Israel as a whole was not automatically saved. Romans 9-11 should be clear what Paul is saying. So your idea of elect and Gods is two entirely different things. Israel Gods elect people out of all the peoples of the world were His Chosen, to be a light to the Nations.....again were under the LAW of Moses and by that were no more saved than Paul was before His own conversion.

Israel THE NATION will always be Gods ELECT.

They were in their SINS when God said let us reason together. Remember the blood of bulls and goats did not TAKE AWAY SIN.

You are not grounded in scripture John, and don't know what you are talking about.


Predestined For Hell
  
Everyone in the whole world has the same opportunity to be saved as our John does here. Faith comes by HEARING THE WORD OF GOD. WHERE THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD, GOD IS REASONING WITH YOU. We've already seen God say to SINNERS...let Us Reason TOGETHER. John says God lied and believes man who is Dead can't reason. Who do YOU believe...God or man? You see REAL FAITH is believing GOD. And if you BELIEVE ISAIAH you are calling John and his doctrine FALSE, with its own bogus false worldview.

Dont put your faith in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Calvin was just a man with opinions and theories. He had no more access to truth than anyone here today. Calvin also believed in infant baptism...RED FLAG FOLKS.


Predestined For Hell
  
There are 7 different WORLDVIEWS: Theism, Atheism, Pantheism, Panentheism, Deism, Finite Godism, and Polytheism. People with these views have different beliefs about how they see life and the world at large.

John also has a WORLDVIEW.

So John, from the list above, which worldview are you accusing Strongaxe of having? Be very specific, or stick a sock in it. And then PROVE your accusation by personal quotes of Strongaxe's. Just to accuse one of having a WORLDVIEW shows again IGNORANCE.


Works Of The Law
  
Thou shall not steal, Kill, lie, or commit adultery are not works of the Law, Since You do nothing to keep these Laws. They Only become Works, if you break these Laws. David///////

David, You say all sorts of nonsense without scripture to back up.

They only become works if you break ? That's nuts.....they become SIN when broken.

James uses Rahab as works with faith. Her Works here has nothing to do with the law or any law but action proving her faith. She believed the Report, HID and lied....as a result she was told to put a scarlet thread in her window...she did...showing again FAITH in their promise not to kill her or her family. Noah built an ark an action based on what he believed God said.


Predestined For Hell
  
John Romans 6-8...So being raised up together with Him a new Creature is FORCED? Ok So you're saying the Lord forces the second death on you HERE, so you don't have to experience the second death later? Did you not know the second death we experience NOW is being crucified with Christ.....and then we are QUICKENED With Christ

Our first death we had no choice but the second death is a choice and Jesus Christ DOES NOT FORCE anyone TO BE CRUCIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM.

There is no resurrection life IN CHRIST without first dying with Christ.

Now I know you have no clue what I'm talking about, so maybe ITS YOU who needs to have the Lord explain, and not Calvin.


Predestined For Hell
  
John I've heard all these Calvin arguments before.....not gonna legitimize these stupid questions you all ask thinking you are making a statement.

You all also claim faith is forced on one as well.

No scripture teaches such nonsense.

But by all means continue in your false belief ...if it makes YOU feel better. That's what these cults are all about...,,how YOU are the elect few, like the JWs teach, where actually JWs and Mormons Is a spinoff from Calvinism.


Predestined For Hell
  
Salvation is a Gift through Jesus Christ....the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS that comes only through Jesus Christ. He takes our sin and gives us His righteousness. Limited atonement is OT animal sacrifice.. It was only temporary. Limited until Jesus died and rose again.

Also a gift of something OFFERED, not forced on. God no more forces salvation on ALL anymore than He forces on a FEW.

The THROUGH FAITH is what is OUR RESPONSIBILITY. Hebrews 11 can't get any clearer. Cain and Abel both offered to God....is the example show how God works. Abel's was by faith, Cain's was a works sacrifice.

If faith without works is dead, and faith is only forced on a few or all....why did James even bother writing James at all?


Works Of The Law
  
Read the Gospels and pull up every verse that has the word JUSTIFIED in it, you would clearly see Jesus taught justification was by FAITH and not the law.

The publican and Pharisee is a PERFECT EXAMPLE, right out of Jesus own mouth.

In the OT those who lived by faith were called THE JUST. JUST here meaning justified by faith. So the whole concept is not a NT or Paul concept. As far back as the OT says THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. Habakkuk 2:4

"Just" Lot....was called JUST, not because he kept the law, but ....well if you don't believe me, study it yourself. Why would an Angel get his family out of "S & G"? Where does it say he was JUST because he kept the law? It doesn't !


Dormition Of Mary
  
Cluny, so can any ordinary person not even a Christian know that Mary isn't spoken of after Acts in the upper room? SO if someone claims the Word of God came to them apart from scripture and said this or that....that's Gnosticism..Correct? Also ALL the epistles were written after Mary died. Mary was suppose to have died 11 years after Jesus. That would be around 44ad or do. Ok now look at the dates all the epistles and Gospels were written, even as late as Revelation, and not one word about Mary or her supposed bodily resurrection .....if it were all that important it would have been recorded in scripture where anyone who could read would see, CORRECT.? Are you saying you got a PERSONAL PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM GOD CLUNY? So did Joseph Smith.


Dormition Of Mary
  
Cluny, why do you keep using this majority rules mentality?.

I said VERY FEW WILL FIND IT. shows I am not persuaded by numbers, but ONLY BY THE WORD OF GOD.

WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO GRASP?

The Word of God does not have any one resurrected before the First resurrection except Jesus Christ. Also no scripture from Paul, Peter John James mention Mary at all. It's a doctrine you all made up.


Is Euthanasia Biblical
  
Clun y are you senile? I said you were right. Do you want my first born too?

I also said if anyone sees it differently please share. YOU DID..THANK YOU.


Dormition Of Mary
  
Are you aware Cluny that narrow is the way that leads to life and very few will find it. I don't care how big you Or RCC or JW or Mormons or Scientology etc are. Size has ZERO to do with anything . Your continual droppings are irrational.


Is Euthanasia Biblical
  
Cluny you are correct. Because Jesus was already dead they did not break his legs. But it does appear breaking the legs expedited their death, and that is why some had their legs broken, where Jesus was already dead and that they didn't have to do.

Does that make it right...NO.


Dormition Of Mary
  
Cluny, Again your straw man mentality here sounds like something Nicole would say.

Please show proof that the majority believe it. Your word means nothing. Maybe Orthodox and RCC, since it is defined everywhere as an Orthodox and RCC belief, however the majority of Protestants do not.

So just accept that Cluny and move on. Your continued droppings are not going to change that facts.


Dormition Of Mary
  
Cluny, your straw man approach to IF YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MARYS REMAINS ARE, THAT PROVES SHE WAS RESURRECTED, just doesn't fly. Many people tnrough out these last two thousand years claim MARYS remains are here, they are there.....because there was not a lot written about her if anything at all after Jesus death and resurrection. Scripture doesn't mention her at all after the day of Pentecost where she too had to wait and receive the Holy Spirit in the upper room with all the rest.

There is no doctrinal REASON you all have her bodily resurrected. THERE IS A DARN GOOD ONE JESUS DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, AND WAS SEEN BY OVER 500.

Do you think I'm the only one who doesn't buy your take on Mary? NO!


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  
JS1234 the NT was wtirtten to Jews and GENTILES under A NEW TESTAMENT....

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in MY BLOOD: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


Dormition Of Mary
  
Cluny Moses bones are still on earth, and no one knows where they are. I know Mary's bones are here on earth, because the first resurrection hasn't happened yet. Now Jesus rose from the Dead proved our sin was taken away. If Jesus hasn't risen, Paul said we would all be in our sin. However, there is no reason that Mary has to have a bodily resurrection, before the First resurrection. She didn't die and rise again for our sin. So no reason you all insist she had a bodily resurrection. There is no reason she would even need to. She is not co-redemptress no matter what you say. And not part of the Trinity.


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  
Scripture is quite clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. And without the forgiveness of sin, one is still in their sin. And the wages of sin is death.

Scripture is also clear not of works, or the law. No amount t of works can make you sinless again. And no scripture states at the second resurrection ones works will give entrance to ETERNAL life. Your reading something into it that is not stated.

Abel offered a blood sacrifice. Abel was 1 st generation ....And Cain's bloodless sacrifice was rejected. It's never changed.


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  
Yes it's absolutely true, only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away our sin. Romans 3:25 FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Yep our own shed blood cannot save us. Only the spotless lamb of God can. Justified BY FAITH. THAT WORD FAITH AGAIN.

By Grace THROUGH FAITH.....Lets not overlook the full sentence.

Now not all men have faith.
2 Thesselonians 3:2 and those men are considered EVIL WICKED MEN, just like described in Jude.

Don't be misled folks, Romans 10:9-10 say IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART......so there IS SOMETHING YOU MUST DO Before you can be saved. Just look at the Book of Acts.....many Jews repented and BELIEVED JESUS is the Son of God, and many did not. I don't see where they ALL were added to the Church...do you?


Dormition Of Mary
  

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Mary cannot be described as in the above verse no matter how the Orthodox and RCC desperately want her to be. And making that same lame excuse of how so and so messed up the translation...WRONG.

Grace as opposed to the LAW ...Moses came by the Law. John 1:17


Mary full of grace is not in the Bible....ONLY THAT EXTRA BIBLE the Catholic and Orthodox use, like the Mormons and JW's extra Bible saying what they want it to say. WARNING...RED FLAG...SIGN OF A CULT...



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