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Dormition Of Mary
Cluny, so can any ordinary person not even a Christian know that Mary isn't spoken of after Acts in the upper room? SO if someone claims the Word of God came to them apart from scripture and said this or that....that's Gnosticism..Correct? Also ALL the epistles were written after Mary died. Mary was suppose to have died 11 years after Jesus. That would be around 44ad or do. Ok now look at the dates all the epistles and Gospels were written, even as late as Revelation, and not one word about Mary or her supposed bodily resurrection .....if it were all that important it would have been recorded in scripture where anyone who could read would see, CORRECT.? Are you saying you got a PERSONAL PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM GOD CLUNY? So did Joseph Smith.

Dormition Of Mary
Cluny, why do you keep using this majority rules mentality?.

I said VERY FEW WILL FIND IT. shows I am not persuaded by numbers, but ONLY BY THE WORD OF GOD.


The Word of God does not have any one resurrected before the First resurrection except Jesus Christ. Also no scripture from Paul, Peter John James mention Mary at all. It's a doctrine you all made up.

Is Euthanasia Biblical
Clun y are you senile? I said you were right. Do you want my first born too?

I also said if anyone sees it differently please share. YOU DID..THANK YOU.

Dormition Of Mary
Are you aware Cluny that narrow is the way that leads to life and very few will find it. I don't care how big you Or RCC or JW or Mormons or Scientology etc are. Size has ZERO to do with anything . Your continual droppings are irrational.

Is Euthanasia Biblical
Cluny you are correct. Because Jesus was already dead they did not break his legs. But it does appear breaking the legs expedited their death, and that is why some had their legs broken, where Jesus was already dead and that they didn't have to do.

Does that make it right...NO.

Dormition Of Mary
Cluny, Again your straw man mentality here sounds like something Nicole would say.

Please show proof that the majority believe it. Your word means nothing. Maybe Orthodox and RCC, since it is defined everywhere as an Orthodox and RCC belief, however the majority of Protestants do not.

So just accept that Cluny and move on. Your continued droppings are not going to change that facts.

Dormition Of Mary
Cluny, your straw man approach to IF YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MARYS REMAINS ARE, THAT PROVES SHE WAS RESURRECTED, just doesn't fly. Many people tnrough out these last two thousand years claim MARYS remains are here, they are there.....because there was not a lot written about her if anything at all after Jesus death and resurrection. Scripture doesn't mention her at all after the day of Pentecost where she too had to wait and receive the Holy Spirit in the upper room with all the rest.

There is no doctrinal REASON you all have her bodily resurrected. THERE IS A DARN GOOD ONE JESUS DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, AND WAS SEEN BY OVER 500.

Do you think I'm the only one who doesn't buy your take on Mary? NO!

Can Satan Be Forgiven
JS1234 the NT was wtirtten to Jews and GENTILES under A NEW TESTAMENT....

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in MY BLOOD: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Dormition Of Mary
Cluny Moses bones are still on earth, and no one knows where they are. I know Mary's bones are here on earth, because the first resurrection hasn't happened yet. Now Jesus rose from the Dead proved our sin was taken away. If Jesus hasn't risen, Paul said we would all be in our sin. However, there is no reason that Mary has to have a bodily resurrection, before the First resurrection. She didn't die and rise again for our sin. So no reason you all insist she had a bodily resurrection. There is no reason she would even need to. She is not co-redemptress no matter what you say. And not part of the Trinity.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Scripture is quite clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. And without the forgiveness of sin, one is still in their sin. And the wages of sin is death.

Scripture is also clear not of works, or the law. No amount t of works can make you sinless again. And no scripture states at the second resurrection ones works will give entrance to ETERNAL life. Your reading something into it that is not stated.

Abel offered a blood sacrifice. Abel was 1 st generation ....And Cain's bloodless sacrifice was rejected. It's never changed.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Yes it's absolutely true, only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away our sin. Romans 3:25 FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Yep our own shed blood cannot save us. Only the spotless lamb of God can. Justified BY FAITH. THAT WORD FAITH AGAIN.

By Grace THROUGH FAITH.....Lets not overlook the full sentence.

Now not all men have faith.
2 Thesselonians 3:2 and those men are considered EVIL WICKED MEN, just like described in Jude.

Don't be misled folks, Romans 10:9-10 say IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR there IS SOMETHING YOU MUST DO Before you can be saved. Just look at the Book of Acts.....many Jews repented and BELIEVED JESUS is the Son of God, and many did not. I don't see where they ALL were added to the you?

Dormition Of Mary

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Mary cannot be described as in the above verse no matter how the Orthodox and RCC desperately want her to be. And making that same lame excuse of how so and so messed up the translation...WRONG.

Grace as opposed to the LAW ...Moses came by the Law. John 1:17

Mary full of grace is not in the Bible....ONLY THAT EXTRA BIBLE the Catholic and Orthodox use, like the Mormons and JW's extra Bible saying what they want it to say. WARNING...RED FLAG...SIGN OF A CULT...

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Yes God is a Merciful God. That's why He gave His only begotten Son. But those who reject His Son .....not so merciful. Those who have reject the Gospel not so merciful, 1 and 2 Thesselonians.

To twist 1Corinthians 13 and say God OR we don't see evil,when in fact there is really twisting things. Do we pretend a RAPIST didn't commit rape and invite to dinner? Not pay for their crime...because HAY, prison is not love? Let the registered pediofile play with your children because HAY....You're gonna think no evil ?

That's NOT what 1 Corinthians is about. Because we are also warned that Satan is roaming around like a lion looking for his next meal. Hope it's not you JS1234.

Dormition Of Mary
Cluny, I believe it's you who need to tell us where her grave "WAS", and prove she "WAS" buried there.

The proof is all on you since you all have made this claim. You all seem to have all these places of proof with artifacts with Jesus. But not Mary? No shroud? Even Lazarus had grave cloths.

Dormition Of Mary
Peter in Acts is testifying to what was written at the end of the Gospels, 40 days Jesus walked talked and ate with them...we see only 10 days actually between Jesus ascention until the Day of Pentecost where Peter testified to thousands that they were witnesses of Jeuss resurrection. Now if you perhaps saw your deceased mother today alive and walking around, you too would be a witness of her resurrection, seeing you most likely witnessed her death.

If the ORTHODOX celebrate the DORMITION OF MARY, then you are believing a lie where NO SCRIPTURES or early church fathers state Mary's body rose from the dead.

Mary will be in the FIRST RESURRECTIONS, not before.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
I believe if Satan wanted to be forgiven, we would see the effects of that now....( by not seeing so much evil in the world) so I would say no he doesn't.

Dormition Of Mary
I believe we see in Acts right at the beginning the witnesses of Jesus resurrection. Or are you calling Peter a liar? If seeing the resurrected Christ after he was crucified and buried is not a witness of His resurrection, then scripture would not say it is. Now it's silly to say one must be in the tomb with him and that only qualifies is nuts. Jesus showed His wounds.

No one, not even the early church fathers claim to have seen Mary after she died, in a bodily form or any form. And this doctrine did not begin until around 414ad. And even then many objected because NO EARLY CHURCH FATHERS mentioned it.

Believe what you want Cluny. We will choose not to believe the Orthodox and RCC doctrine.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Yes that was the subject. Seems like someone here wants to turn EVERY thread into universalism. I hate when that happens. Cherry pickin to try to prove what is not in scripture...but only in their wishful Thinking.

Everlasting punishment must have a different meaning to some.

Is Euthanasia Biblical
Ok let's get back to the subject ....
Is euthanasia biblical.

Steveng what do you think?

Can Satan Be Forgiven
The most dangerous thing is to build a doctrine around one verse. This is how we got snake handlers.

So we know ALL does not include animals trees, birds,etc,which were also affected by the fall. But I have heard it preached, according to that verse that every living animal from Adam on will be made alive in Christ.

In Adam all die....but not all are IN CHRIST....only those IN CHRIST will be made alive. Animals, trees etc are not IN CHRIST.

You Have to receive Jesus Christ to be IN CHRIST and He IN YOU.

New angers teach God is in everyone and everything. This is false doctrine.

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