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If you watched American Gospel you would have seen Trump is not a Christian, has never repented or says he's a sinner. Quite the opposite. And being against abortion doesn't automatically make you a Christian nor does being a conservative Republican. I also see Trump being responsible for 125,000 plus deaths here and will end close to 1,000,000 when this is over. He's lied putting many lives at risk. So he is only using Christians with the abortion issue to get power for his own ill gotten greed. And naive Christians can't see through this charade. You can't claim to care about fetal life and not care about all life....even black life. Any conservative Republican could have appointed conservative judges to the SC.


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David, I'm shocked at your outburst. Why did you choose to go low? Scripture teaches scripture. And I already said I don't read commentaries, Matther Henry or any of those you listed. Folks who allow the Holy Spirit through the WORD OF GOD , not commentaries, will be taught. 1 John 2:20 also says we have an unction from the Holy One ..for what David...look up the verse. I answered you sincerely and you go off the deep end cursing why? And not only cursing, but fabricating lies no one ever said. You guys who do this are not led by the Holy Spirit to begin with. You want to have it your way, so have it your way, but stop assaulting others because you don't get the answer you want. Your post was childish. And yes TRUTH HAS WITNESSES TOO.


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ven, things God does not say or mention is there for a reason. And those who claim to know things God never revealed in His word is GNOSTICISM. And you telling someone you are giving them the truth, when you can't even back it up, is what? It's called DUNG. That's not TRUTH ven, that is what is called a THEORY. I don't deal in theories in any way shape or form. So please stop saying you are giving the Truth when you are only giving your interpretation of scripture and a theory to support. And stop making arrogant accusations that if one does not submit to YOU AND YOUR THEORIES, gives you the right to slander and falsely accuse.

The doctrine of pre-existance is heresy. And I know many Calvinist's who do not hold to that theory.


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Strongaxe,I heard about the book, on hold until July 10th until her lawyers can present a case it should be published.

I just want to make a point. Yes in the OT God said he sets up kings and takes then down according to His purpose, however the office of the President is not a KING with total authority, as there are equal branches of our government with as much power equally as the President, and then as some say WE THE PEOPLE also have a voice. So to claim God put Trump in place as the ultimate authority
doesn't work because the Supreme Court ...just as powerful, shot down abortion , LGBQ, etc. So did God not also put them in place as well? Congress also has equal power in this country, and many Democrats GOD ALSO PUT in place.


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ven, you still need to explain in what form you existed before the foundation of the world...soul or spirit or both. or are you saying you had a human body then too? And of coarse, with that thinking you would have to be then too, just as now, either a Jew or Gentile soul spirit or whatever. So before you go off on any more rants please supply us with at least 3 scriptures stating you existed before the foundation of the world. Using the verse in Ephesians does not make such a claim. That is something your imagination came up with because it sounds logical to the human mind. Not a transformed mind. And don't say, OH that part is a Mystery too. NO, today there are no mysteries still hidden.


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Yes, and the total depravity part saying one existed before the foundation of the world is saying some of these soul/spirit whatever's were depraved then and some were righteous then, to be chosen then. What scripture can ven supply here concerning this strange doctrine of pre-existence? I know the Mormons have meted out their doctrine of pre-existence, so Calvinists must have theirs too. so what is it ven. Don't say its a Mystery, because ALL MYSTERIES have been revealed today. NOTHING HIDDEN, unless you want to go the Gnostic route here.


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Poor ven, funny I've never discussed the Trinity with you or any of those subjects you claim to know what I believe. I do not believe in Calvinism. And to say ONLY CALVINISM teaches the Trinity, who Christ is, and all the rest of your list, only show you have some very serious brainwashed problems that seems to have taught you to foam at the mouth anytime someone disagrees with you. I knew when you first MOCKED the CROSS as just a piece of wood, you were actually an enemy of THE CROSS. which actually puts you in the category of denying very important issues in scripture.

Ven, you are out of control with your hateful posts. Not everyone here believes in Calvinism either. Deal with it.


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Ven, unfortunately you don't understand many things. Ok you said you existed before the foundation of the world. In what form did you exist, soul or spirit. I showed Adam was that first soul. Are you saying he was the first soul that preexisted and entered into Adam. And all these preexisting souls are just waiting for a body to enter? I was actually making fun of this bazaar doctrine. You are the one who says you preexisted. So explain in what form.

Oh, and please back up with scripture. Your one verse does not go into such detail. So where did you get this idea. Your HUMAN MIND? or through the WORD OF GOD?


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Ven, do you see where you started your post ......kath? That is what you put in your previous post where ..YOUR NAME GOES, right above your email address, not mine. So no, I had nothing to do with that. You alone did that. And no it's not because I'm afraid or scared or anything like that.


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Strong axe, I know, and now we seem to have another issue one claims denial about. It will be interesting to see how this will be wiggled out if. Many think he will resign, then to suffer a humiliation of a loss. With Mary's book coming out soon, Trumps niece, more hearings over soldiers being killed for a bounty, mismanaged Covid now on the rise, will for sure affect jobs, businesses now more than ever with probably no more stimulus for anyone...Christians reeling that abortions are not outlawed, Dreamers protected, LGBQ protected, many GOP distancing themselves, doesn't look good for the Chosen One. These next few months will be interesting.


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Trump is losing. Doesn't look like he's on the side of God or vice versa. God doesn't need to lie and cheat to win. God is not joined unbelievers. We are told as Christians not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, yet some think God is yoked with Trump...who brings shame to Christianity. When the Beast, anti_Christ or whatever you want to call him IS RULING THE WORLD , those who do not bow down to him will not reap the wrath of God. Those who do, will suffer the eternal wrath of God. Looks like free will here too. Jesus also warned there would be many anti_Christs in this world. In no doubt in powerful places too like Hitler. In no way are we to be bullied into being shut up. I always knew Calvinism would play a role in end times.


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The Bible tells us exactly what the Mystery is, Colossians 1:24-27.To "gas light" making ridiculous accusations making up what you say I do and don't believe only makes you look like a liar and fool. And the funny thing is if you think Gentile's being saved is a mystery that was kept secret, how do you explain God already told Abraham in the OT Gentiles would be saved. No mystery there. And if you think you existed before the foundation of the world, where before the foundation of the world is there said to be Jew spirit babies and Gentile spirit babies? And only Jew Spirit babies were elect until God decided to mysteriously include Gentile spirit babies BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD? That's hilarious.


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Mike, I said James never taught works with faith was works of the law. He uses Abraham's works of faith in no way the law says to sacrifice your children . Rehab another example LIED protecting the spies. Lying is a sin.

Ven, your childish posts here are not worth addressing. Your acting like a immature TRUMP BABY. Its called "gaslighting" someone in hopes your kids will ruin their reputation. It won't work here ven. And use your own name when posting. Your posts are showing you are losing control, a sign you are not walking in the Spirit.


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Ven God didn't appoint Trump for our good. He's losing. Hopefully God will appoint a David who cared for the people. Even raising Joseph up in Egypt was to care not only for Israel, but ALL THE NATION'S .

When Trump brought Paula White onto the WH payroll he like Saul delved into WITCHCRAFT, just as Saul did, and God repented CHANGED HIS MIND and ended Saul and put David as King. I'm afraid it's you ven who does not know God's character or HOLINESS.


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David, I think you are over thinking this. The natural mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit no matter what helps one uses. It's the Lord who reveals these Truths to us. And the more you grow, the deeper those truths go. I once heard a pastor say it wasn't so much the unsaved who persecute christians, but carnal minded Christians who attack out of their own ignorance. Truths come in 2-3's. So one verse wonders is what CULTS use. Always find 2-3 supporting scriptures to establish a truth. But also use a Strongs for those words that we only have one word for.


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This must be the stronghold Satan has over many generic Christians who are in fear of speaking out against Trump because they think a curse will come upon them. That's Benny Hinn, Paula White snake oil garbage . No scripture ever makes such a declaration. Could this false doctrine be why so many in Nazi Germany just kept their mouth shut and looked the other way. NOPE ven, speaking truth as Stephen did, even if it results in death is what Christianity is all about. Again, you comment is falsehood and needs to be rebuked.


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Ok here's the thing too with the verse in Ephesians, showing ven must be Mormon. Mormons believe "Jesus " Christ existed before the foundation of the world. Remember Jesus is the incarnate Son of God. The WORD was made flesh and was given the name "Jesus ". Paul is not teaching "the man " Jesus existed in the person of Jesus before the foundation of the world. However Mormons do believe the man Jesus was with God in the garden, and man was created after the man Jesus Christ. So to say we existed in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world is taking scripture totally out of context.


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Then you have the problem of trying to explain the existance of those not in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world. Were the soul/spirits of those not IN CHRIST floating around the universe and the soul/spirits of those elect tucked neatly away IN CHRIST? So somewhere back when the Angels were created, the soul/spirits of men were also created, and some sinned with the fallen angels and some did not ? Or God just created a bad seed to begin with, ...having no choice at all in the matter. Yikes, even the fallen angels chose to disobey. And funny thing scripture says He'll was made for the Angels, nothing about those un-elect soul/spirits.

See how ven's nonsense is nonsense!

Total blasphemy.


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Strong axe, yes I saw this on the news and how rediculous this idea is. I wonder if Kellyann Conway' s alternative facts factored here too. Who exactly started that bull. It's frightening to see just how selfish and crazy so many are, following Trump and Pence's example. I wonder if we would have all this if they had been an example to begin with. Blind leading the blind.

Yes David, a sign of end times is the utter selfishness of man...lack of love for others, and TRUMP the god-father of this horror in our country. He's the devil alright. Hopefully folks are starting to wake up to this. His senior supporters are dropping him like a hot potato. Looks like God, as God felt with Saul , REPENTED that he made Trump KING...HA!



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