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Salvation By Our Works
David concerning CS, I don't know anything about that. But leaving a denomination is not the same as leaving your own faith behind. Just you saying that again shows a lack of understanding. And you assume and presume much. I already said I don't know JS or what he teaches....did you fail to see that? And WHY? It shows you do not read others posts and why I find it a waste of my time answering you.

Salvation By Our Works
David8316, I understand because you don't understand scripture that you go off on some crazed twisted fit. All these bazaar accusations against me only reveal how bazaar your own understanding is.

Death is separation from God as well, and does not mean annihilation. In Adam all Christ those who believe will be made alive together with Christ...Ephesians 2:7-10. Parish vs eternal life....John 3:16.

David, Jesus physical body died, but He said in the Psalms prophecied....THOU WILL NOT LEAVE MY SOUL IN HELL.

Jesus too has a soul. His soul was not EXTINQUISHED and then recreated.. which is YOUR definition of death...not scriptures definition.

Salvation By Our Works
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4 also say the word of God is sharper than a two edge sword.

I wouldn't call it a knife.

Salvation By Our Works
Also note in David's outbursts he's condemning Cluny 's faith as a cult. They don't believe the soul is extinguished when the physical body dies. JW'S AND SDA DO. it's heresy.

So I'll have to research if the Mormons believe as David's beliefs with JW's and SDA.

But it wasn't until now that David gave away MORE of his beliefs he's been so evasive about. And this explains his rejection of Hebrews and Romans 6. The NEW CREATURE WILL NEVER DIE SPIRITUALLY...that's why it's called ETERNAL LIFE. Also read Hebrews 2 ....exposes David's lie from hell.

Salvation By Our Works
Monk, why does Ephesians say "NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. ". That's what YOU need to be answering here.

The belief one must achieve these sacraments isa works salvation NOT IN SCRIPTURE.

The RCC is also guilty of this false doctrine, not just the ORTHODOX.

Feast of the Transfiguration
Monk, where is your scripture proving your statement? I gave scripture..John 3:13.....which debunks your statement. Sorry, but the Word of God is final authority of truth with me. You may believe fables if you want, or just believe something because someone said it you hold in higher veneration than God. I can't do that.

Praying To Dead People
1Cor 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's,

Cluny, I only obey scripture in this area. The BOC, no one is exalted one above another either, but all in submission to the Lord. This is a foreign thought to the ORTHODOX, who exalt CERTAIN SAINTS over others, exalt Church Fathers over the Word of God, and put their faith in the Wisdom of man and not in the Power of God. No where, not even in scripture am I called to VENERATE anyone but the Lord. I can respect someone without greatly admiring them. I can obey/ respect authority over me re police, and still not venerate them. I thought you were a literary genius? Oh that's right, perfect spelling doesn't mean you understand your perfectly spelled words.

Do We Have Free Will
Here's an example of the ORTHODOX FALSE TEACHING:

The Dormition of the Mother of God is a Great Feast of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches which commemorates the "falling asleep" or death of Mary the Theotokos ("Mother of God", literally translated as God-bearer), and her bodily resurrection before being taken up into heaven. It is celebrated on 15 August (28 August N.S. for those following the Julian Calendar) as the Feast of the Dormition of the Mother of God. The Armenian Apostolic Church celebrates the Dormition not on a fixed date, but on the Sunday nearest 15 August.

The only bodily resurrection from the dead TO DATE is Jesus Christ .

Do We Have Free Will
The ONLY HOLY SPIRIT I listen to is the one Jesus said He would give AFTER He died and rose again. The same one given at Pentecost, the same one given to those crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE, the one we were sealed with AFTER WE BELIEVE. Any other spirit is demonic, as we are to TEST THE SPIRITS. 1 John. Also we are called to STUDY to show ourselves approved. Study the scriptures that is, with a STRONGS concordance giving the ORIGINAL GREEK AND HEBREW , with definitions, And of coarse comparing scripture with scripture is another way to study, of coarse with the help of the Holy Spirit who "enlightens" The WORD OF GOD alone....

So many excuses David.....just doesn't fly.

Jesus Action Rewards
Sorry JS1234, but that isn't the correct translation. KJV as well as many others agree with other places re "the fat". So Nicole is correct here.

A sacrifice is a sacrifice whether it was a fat one or not. It was the FIRSTLING that was Important.

Unless you can find at least two or three other supporting scriptures supporting that they also looked at the fat ones ...and for some reason fat ones were more worthy that a normal size one....

And since firstling is a TYPE of firstborn, as Jesus is referred to, there Are no reference to Fattening up Jesus, making Him more acceptable.

The FAT is explained in Leviticus 3 AND Nicole showed a great verse as well.

Jesus Action Rewards

1 John 3:11-12

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

The Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Romans 16:25-27....FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH.

BY FAITH ABEL offered a blood sacrifice ..showing OBEDIENCE OF FAITH in the promised redeemer, announced in Genesis 3:15. Cain rejected what was required of God...even after a second chance, just as many today reject the Gospel, and believe they can earn salvation by good works...establishing their own righteousness...

Baptism Spiritual Effects
The Gospel of Grace

Ephesians 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Finish It Here May 2019
The verses I just posted in James 3 does not take a rocket scientist to understand. The WISE are those IN CHRIST, who is made unto us WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE, supplying all the mysteries to those who have the mind of Christ. Only those who are heavenly minded have the mind of Christ...those like Haz27 who are earthly minded do not have the mind of Christ and therefore have no clue about any of the Mysteries given to those who obey and live Colossians 3:1-4. Romans 6-8

Don't let Haz27 trumpet foul mouth confuse the TRUTH.

People can have discussions without all the name calling and vicious attacks. Trumpet foul mouths just don't know how to debate...they only know how to assault.

The Mueller Report Trump
So what constitutes a Christian Nation? Is it Christian laws in our Constitution? OR is it a Nation that makes up a majority of Christians? IF many believe the Law of Moses is our Constitution....then WHERE specifically are these laws of sin and death written? What about the Laws of the Beatitudes? Do they count?

So those who insist it's the Law of Moses, forget that even under the LAW of Moses, strangers and foreigners could join them and become one with them. AND They did help the poor. They were to be a LIGHT to ALL NATIONS... You can't be LIGHT and spout HATE HAZ and Jerry!

So if you are strictly NT Christian...when and where did the hate and loathing come in? Who in the NT talks hate like Haz27 and Jerry?

Finish It Here May 2019
God never asked Christians to be IGNORANT OF END TIMES, but to be wise concerning end times, and He has given us scriptures for these times TO OBEY. But you also need to be saved and have the mind of Christ, not being conformed to this world...ROMANS 12:1-2. This many are lacking, and in reality walk in the opposite direction.....called wood hay and stubble.

And as I've ALWAYS SAID HERE, there is EVIL, in both parties. The RWC party is NOT going to save you or the world. Or save you from this present evil world. You've put your faith in men and not God.

So you are welcome to again assault me Haz27 with your childish rants. Most babies do who hate hearing the truth they don't like.

Finish It Here May 2019
Cluny, I also believe seeing Isaiah 14 as in the future, since it has not been completely fulfilled as yet...(all prophecy will be fulfilled) that God doesn't need America to fulfill His Promises, and will not share that Glory with anyone, especially a gentile nation not even mentioned in Prophetic scripture to lend God a helping hand to bring those promises to pass.....and possibly WHY we have Trump in office to destroy Americas power and lead to a bankrupt nation. Because so many Christians are misled as to end times prophecy....will drink the poison kool-aid. THats why we as TRUE Christians are no longer part of this world system.....and our hope and faith is in Christ ALONE.....not politics.

Finish It Here May 2019
Nicole, ..even TODAY the Catholic Church supports Muslims in Jerusalem, and has for quite some time. Pope John Paul in 2000 totally sucked up to the worlds first terrorist ARAFAT in Jerusalem, never once apologized to the Jews. Even invited Arafat to the Vatican.

So you don't see this from Chriatians...only Catholics. So that's why I stated the difference. You Catholics have a selective memory concerning Israel and the Catholic Church. Christians want to give the land back to the Jews....the CATHOLICS do not, and NEVER HAVE.

There's your recent history. But since FOX is Catholic, you'll never get that truth there either. Poor fools who don't know how to read and research truth.....believe everything you hear.

Might Have Autism
So, someone's WORLD VIEW is based on many things. Firstly to a Christian, his beliefs. John's world view is not mine, yet we both profess to be Christians, and Strongaxe has his own WORLD VIEW. And it appears what John is saying is if you disagree with him,you are of the WORLD VIEW crowd, as if it means only one thing and used in a derogatory manner. John has a WORLD VIEW as well, and many Christians would say John's WORLD VIEW is not Biblical.

So let's take the mystery and pretentiousness out of the discussion John as if it were some insult. Everyone has a WORLD VIEW. Even Jesus who said My kingdom is not of this WORLD VIEW.

Might Have Autism
John I already said Christians didn't stop it, some actually joined in. Those who protested were murdered or sent to camps.

Nicole, for all who helped hide and protect praise God. We should always be helping when we see injustices. Hitler surrounded himself with those who took loyalty oaths who actually broke German Constitutional laws. What we see in this country is Christians making the same mistake, to the shock of other Christians who can't stop it either.

I believe if you're on a ship and its going to sink, and no doubt you only have a short do you spend that time....trying to save the ship, or get as many off the ship as you can before it goes down. I say get them off ASAP!

Might Have Autism
Let's all go back and study the total failure of Calvin and his chokehold over just ended in a bloodbath, as all so called religions including the RCC who made the Church superior to the State. Our Country separated Church from state because of the disaster of Europe, and the RCC. But the propaganda of the false Gospel of America has been pushed since the 80's and many are buying into this we see end times approach with the ANTI-CHRIST ....

Even in MA, was a Total failure and lessen we all should learn when Calvinist's burned other Calvinist's at the stake for being witches because of POLITICS AND GREED. Having laws where neighbor's spied on their neighbor's ...and fined if you had a Christmas tree. YIKES.

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