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USA Foreign Invasion
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Are you suggesting I should be upset because at one point in their history they didn't allow Blacks?

You seem to be very willing to overlook Bob Jones University's racial attitudes from 50 years ago, yet condemning Democrats for THEIR racial attitudes from 70+ years ago. Please be consistent. Don't blame people NOW for things done by others did before they were even born!


Is Socialism Wrong
  
jerry6593:

I am constantly hearing those on the right saying "socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried", and pointing to Venuzuela - one particular bad example, as if that one single example proves their point. However, they ignore Sweden and Canada, and many other places where it actually WORKS.

COMMUNISM has failed everywhere it has been tried, but SOCIALISM has not.


Follow Jesus Christ Go
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: We should just be thankful that the very name "Jesus" has not been banned from our lives or country. I'll bet one day anything that even remotely says "Jesus" will be outlawed.

This can't happen as long as the First Amendment stands, as it guarantee that the government cannot interfere with the free exercise of religion. Unfortunately, the current administration is already trying to erode the First Amendment protections of freedom of the press, so who knows?


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
Nicole_Lacey:

From Wikipedia article about Jus Soli (Law of the Soil):

Countries with unconditional or almost unconditional jus soli:
All of North, Central, and South America except Columbia, plus Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Chad, Fiji, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Lesoho, Pakistan, Panama, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tanzania, Trinidad and Tobago, and Tuvalu.

Countries with restricted Jus Soli:
Australia, Bahrain, Cambodia, Columbia, Dominican Republic, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Iran, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Morocco, Namibia, New Zealand, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sudan, Thailand, Tunisia, United Kingdom.


USA Foreign Invasion
  
trey:

It is disingenuous for the government to say "We can't accept others because we'll be too busy providing for our own", and then cut back on providing for our own by saying "we can't afford to provide food and health care for the poor", while at the same time giving huge tax breaks to the rich.


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: There were no anchor babies until the commie pinko Ted Kennedy and his band of hippie freaks started it in the 1960's.

Your use of emotionally-charged (and factually void) pejoratives like "commie", "pinko", and "freaks" make it difficult to take anything you say seriously.

By the Golden Rule, you shouldn't call other people insulting names unless you, yourself, think it's totally acceptable to call you insulting names. Do you?


USA Foreign Invasion
  
RichardC:

If you're so concerned about who pays, why are you concerned with $318 million to immigrant families, yet you don't seem worried about the $1.6 trillion tax cut that goes mostly to to the 1% - about 5000 times as much?


USA Foreign Invasion
  
Steveng:

$79600 for 5 years is $15920 a year, or $43.62 a day. On the other hand, housing a single illegal immigrant child in a detention camp costs $319 a day - over 7 times as much!

Also, for each man walking up to the camera flashing MS13, how many men, women, and children don't?


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Our difference in opinion about laws is NOT because you're American and I'm Canadian, but because you're a conservative and I'm a progressive. American progressives and I are on the same page, while Canadian conservatives and you are on the same page.


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
Nicole_Lacey:

The 14th amendment specifically refers to people "who are under the jurisdiction of the United States". By British common law (which this country follows), with a few minor certain exceptions (like diplomats), everyone on U.S. soil IS under U.S. jurisdiction. All foreigners on U.S. soil, whether they are here legally or not, are required to follow U.S. law.

I also find it incredibly ironic that it's mostly pro-Life Republicans (who believe that ALL lives are equally worthy) that are also on anti-birthright citizenship bandwagon (saying that not all births are equal) - again proving my point that they only really care about all life before it's born but not afterwards.


Abortion Point Of Views
  
Nicole_Lacey:

That is the other scripture I was referring to. It's a civil penalty UNLESS there is "mischief" (which is what the King James version calls it.

Now think about the dynamics. Today, we have the technology to bring premature babies to successful term much of the time, but that didn't exist 2000 years ago. If a woman was struck with such a traumatic injury that she would be forced to miscarry, the likelihood of her child surviving was extremely slim. Why, then, would the scripture focus on a civil penalty as the default behavior, and only mention lex talonis as the exception?

Also, you haven't addressed the infidelity test that results in the death of the innocent child.


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: ax: You don't know our law.

Some legal expert agree with me, and some agree with you, so it's currently a matter of legal interpretation and difference of opinion (not "not knowing your law"), and will likely have to be adjudicated by the Supreme Court. For now, birthright citizenship is currently the law of the land.


USA Foreign Invasion
  
jerry6593:

What "invasion"? A bunch of people on foot just entered Mexico, so it will be months before they even get close, but he's sending troops NOW, costing $10M/day. Why now? Because he wants to look good before the midterms. He's wasting $10 million of taxpayer dollars each day for photo-ops for his own party to sway the election in their favor.

He also said if they throw rocks, we should shoot them with guns. How "Christian".


Cluny:

Trump often claims access to information others lack (like proof of 3 million illegal CA voters) but never shares it. He claims he knows military matters better than his own generals, who often criticize him for making rash decisions.


Abortion Point Of Views
  
Haz27:

You constantly make accusations against me that are not true:
- of being complicit in abortion and genocide, even though I hate abortion.
- of being a communist and Nazi, even though I hate communists and nazis.
- of committing 3 felonies a day, even though I do no such thing, and you refuse to name them.
- and when I confront you with this, you accuse me of "playing the victim".

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR

There is one in the Bible whose whole constantly makes accusations against others. He is called Diabolos, the Accuser. You do his work quite faithfully.

I suggest you remove the felonies from your own eye before picking out those of others.


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Birthright citizenship is a key part of the 14th Amendment. In order to eliminate birthright citizenship, you have to totally gut the 14th Amendment. You may well think that it isn't part of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court, whose actual job is to interpret what the constitution means, has decided that it IS, and their opinion carries more weight on the subject than yours or Trump's do.

It's strange how Republicans are oh so ready to re-interpret the 14th Amendment out of existence to suit their own xenophobic agenda, but scream bloody murder whenever anyone does anything even remotely similar to the 2nd Amendment.


Abortion Point Of Views
  
Haz27:

If the woman is an adulteress, the holy water witnesses against her and causes her stomach to shrivel up and for her to expel the child she is carrying, and renders her barren forever after.

In other words, if she is, in fact, guilty of adultery, this aborts the child she is carrying.

You still have neither justified you libelous "3 felonies" accusations against me, nor withdrawn them.


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
jerry6593:

I know more about constitutional law than many American citizens - many can't even name all the states.

I want you to respect what the constition ACTUALLY SAYS. Don't trust my interpretation. Trust the Supreme Court's interpretation, because it's literally their job to make such interpretations.

Please read the case I cited. An American-born son of two Chinese immigrants returned to China as a child, but was denied re-entry due to Anti-Chinese immigration laws. He appealed to the Supreme Court and won - because he was NOT a Chinese person attempting to immigrate, but was in fact an American Citizen because he was born here.

The term "Anchor Baby" may be new, but the legal concept is not.


Abortion Point Of Views
  
Cluny:

I pointed out several times no scripture specifically defines abortion as murder, but two imply it CANNOT be:

In Numbers 5, a suspected unfaithful wife is required to drink cursed bitter water. If unfaithful, she miscarries. This is a chemically-induced abortion that punishes a child for the sins of its mother.

If two men struggle and one's pregnant wife intervenes and is hit and miscarries, the penalty is a civil fine, and NOT a life for a life as murder demands (except in case of "mischief", but before modern medicine, almost all premature births ended in fatality, so this clearly refers to the mother, as if the child were also implied this would almost ALWAYS be a death penalty).


Revoke The 14th Amendment
  
jerry6593:

In 1898, in U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court decided that the 14th Amendment DOES allow foreign anchor babies, regardless of what xenophobic right-wingers may think.


Monk_Brendan:

The way Trump intends to do this is the Pharisaical way - by redefining the words in the constitution to mean the opposite of what they say. The 14th amendment guarantees citizenship to those born "under the jurisdiction of the States", but if you declare that someone isn't under their jurisdiction, they aren't eligible. (This is pure rubbish, because if an illegal shoots someone in the street, just wait to see how soon police arrest him and show just whose jurisdiction he is really under.)


Abortion Point Of Views
  
Haz27:

PAY ATTENTION. That something is not murder DOESN'T MEAN IT IS NOT A BAD THING.
I showed two scriptures SPECIFICALLY saying abortion is not, as murder would carry the death penalty. Now YOU show scripture that SPECIFICALLY says abortion is murder.

You can't take a scripture and claim it means the exact opposite, based on your own "spiritual" understanding, as Pharisees did with their "korban" law that Jesus condemned.

What "victimhood"? You SPECIFICALLY accused ME PERSONALLY. Are you going to spiritualize away "don't bear false witness" too? Say SPECIFICALLY which 3 felonies *I* commit daily. If you went into a court room to convict me, you would be laughed out of court.



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