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Are Christians Gullible
  
Interesting Nicole would post here when the subject is about gullible Christians being exploited by pastors.

Obviously Nicole never read Acts 20, among other places that even Paul was called to feed the flock, and charges those he is with to continue to feed the flock after he departs for Rome.

Even in Israel there were many shepherds who feed the flock of God....Ezekiel 34 For that matter, and not ONE superior called a pope. The Shepherds here also were not the priests or high priests.

Nicole's "Catholic answers" are what only Catholics believe, and manipulated the scriptures to feed the gullible within the RCC to legitimize their POPE. WE don't believe this Nicole. Only RCC do.


Are Christians Gullible
  
Melody, AMEN to your testimony here. I can actually remember sitting in a high chair not more than 2, on a Sunday morning, (my Father hated God at that time in his life so we were not allowed to go to Church) so my Mother would have Sunday School at home. ..there were 3 of us at the time) anyway, I can remember it like yesterday, singing Jesus Loves me, and being told Jesus loves me. My little heart leaped for joy that someone loved me and I was hooked from then on wanting to know Jesus. Although I was saved at 9, I really didng KNOW HIM until I was 30. I knew about Him, but I didnt KNOW HIM.These next 40 years have gotten better and better. I've had my days of persecution, but through that I KNOW Ephesians 3:14-21 as a reality.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
Johnny, yes, that is a great one. Or it can also be found in Romans 11, or 1st Corinthians 15:20-28, or perhaps Hebrews 2. 2nd Peter chapter 1, again is awesome.

Also one such plan is the whole chapter of Ezekiel 36, of coarse may not apply directly to the Church, however it is also one of Gods plans with a purpose.

Jesus did say (sic) every jot and tittle will be fulfilled.


Important Christian Things
  
I believe the most important thing a Christian can do is to spread the gospel. A Christian, I mean a real Christian should already have the love of God in him, and should be already loving the Lord and his neighbor. He should not have to be told to love the Father or love his neighbor. He should already be doing what is really in his hearts towards God and towards our neighbors, because in his heart he should already have the love of God, (the Holy Spirit).
---Luke on 9/13/18

AMEN . I AGREE 100%
Love is followed by action, and if we study Paul, we see Paul, like Jesus Christ laid down his life for others. Pauls greatest actions were spreading the Gospel.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
Johnny, what do you think they are. You do read the Bible, correct?


Explain James 5:19-20
  
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ : for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

To the Jew first does NOT mean the Jews are superior in any way to Gentiles, but it proves it is the very same Gospel that was preached to the Gentiles. It proves there was never two different Gospels. Also reiterating what Jesus said that "Salvation" IS OF the Jews. Also the Kingdom restored to Israel is NOT the Gospel of SALVATION. Yet we see Jews right from the beginning of Act's ask..."what then must WE do to be SAVED". James and Peter NEVER teach Kingdom theology of having to poke out an eye or cut off an hand to enter in.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
Peter has them scattered through out all of Asia as well.

The reason so many heard in their own language at Pentecost was they came from all over, being scattered from the time of Solomon's disobedience. Please don't confuse the two. Israel was not at the time of Pentecost A NATION.

When Isaiah 14: 1-7 is fulfilled THEN will Israel become "A NATION". As we have only see in part since 1948. So the reference to the 12 Tribes SCATTERED all over even before the persecution in Jerusalem , shows there was no NATION of Israel. Jerusalem was under the authority of the Romans. Judas turned on Jesus BECAUSE Jesus didn't overthrow Rome and RESTORE THE NATION AND KINGDOM TO ISRAEL.


Mother Of Abominations
  
Ruben, scripture already defines THE CHURCH, in Colossians 1:24-27, saying nothing about Peter. Nor does Peter in any of his two letters make such a claim that he is the rock the church is built upon. As a matter of fact, if you understand 1st and 2nd Peter, his letters actually debunk much of what is even taught by the RCC or Orthodox.

Also we do not see James, or John even make such a ststement as you want to believe. If it were truly that important, we would see 2-3 witnesses through out the NT validating your claim. It's just not there.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
James letter to the 12 tribes is no different than Pauls letter in Romans addressing ALSO GENTILES. Paul often states in his letters, " to the Jew first and then to the Gentiles. So we see Paul addressing both, and never makes a statement " EXCEPT THOSE JAMES, JOHN PETER, etc have addressed. God is not the author of confusion having two entirely differently gospels being preached at the same time. And there were not two gospels at that time to the Jews. Any intelligent person would see this.


Are Christians Gullible
  
I'd like to clarify something here after reading this back. The Holy Spirit was always in me 'From tthe time I received Him as a child. '. Not 'always' as some teach.

When we are saved we at that time receive the Holy Spirit, but scripture makes it clear WE are also required to do something after we receive it. One is to RECKON yourself dead to the old, and present your members as those alive from the dead to God.

Then we are to YIELD , submit,
Many overlook OBEDIENCE, clearly stated in Romans 6:15-17.

So to receive Jesus Christ is also receiving the whole package..of being made free of sin....but our obedience from the HEART is required. Then Romans 8 is accessible to us 24/7.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
Under LAW, there were EARTHLY BLESSINGS for obedience. Today many take those promises to earthly Israel and apply it to the church, (those who are into the PROSPERITY GOSPEL.). Actually this is where the prosperity gospel gets its doctrine.

Today Christians are not under the LAW who have to keep the LAW to receive those earthly blessings. Christians today are under GRACE and we receive SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS.

At that time Israel was not scattered all over the world either.

We live in a much different world. Under those promises to Israel,they would NEVER have been an issue with lead pipes causing all sorts of physical illnesses, and hiding it and lying about it. Just for an example.


Mother Of Abominations
  
We first learn about the ROCK in the OT, when the ROCK followed them through the wilderness to going to the promise land. The LIVING WATER. Jesus was that ROCK then and now. Jesus Christ IS the ROCK of our salvation.

When Jesus spoke those words to his disciples they KNEW He was referring to Himself, being a NO BRAINER to those who were listening to Jesus.

So no, no one was a higher Apostle than another. Or exalted above another. The whole of the NT is Christ is the HEAD....and all else are members of His Body...as the Apostles also were, as we also are. Members of one another. No one body part has importance over another body part. And your spiritual gift does not make you More important either.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
OH my gosh, have they legalized recreational marajuana in Alabama, or is what Donald Trump said about southerners true?


Explain James 5:19-20
  


I WILL say there's something on the whole manner of miraculous healing that God is keeping secret from both of us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/18


I'd say we do agree here. You should have rolled this one on here first.


Mother Of Abominations
  
Melody, don't even answer Cluny. See how he insults, and then denies he even insulted. It's a game silly old men with nothing else to do does here plays. He's a classic troublemaker. The best thing, as I also after his last two attacks on me , will no longer engage in his childish behavior.

People should be able to say what they want without these personal childish ATTACKS.


Are Christians Gullible
  
Amen Melody. In the early 80's I totally surrendered my life to the Lord, (even though I was saved as a child, ) I had no idea what it was to walk in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit was ALWAYS in me, but the HOW TO escaped me until I OBEYED Romans 6 and Romans 12:1-2. ...TOTAL SURRENDER, and oh boy, life has never been the same. It takes OBEDIENCE , not someone's hands. And obedience daily to walk in the Spirit given us the moment we are saved.

Those who want the cheap way out, ( rejecting the CROSS) Resort to being slain in the spirit or hands laid on them....which never lasts until the next slaying, all for a physical experience.....appealing to the flesh, which I believe is demonic. The POWER OF THE CROSS, is never ending.


Explain James 5:19-20
  
So Cluny, there was no need for your rudeness from the beginning.

If constant confession to a priest, or one another on a continual basis absolutely resulted in healing, then those actually who,have been practicing this for years on a continual regular basis should never have gotten sick in the first place.

So actually your own words and health issues Cluny do not hold up to some absolute here.

Yes, healing and miracles are totally in Gods hands, not some church doctrines hands. But we all know not all are healed, and many wonderful,Christians who,are NOT Orthodox either experience healing by the Grace of God, or by the Grace of God accept they won't be healed.


Are Christians Gullible
  
Cluny, All one has to do is go back and read the thread. I made a statement that not all needed hands laid on them then or now to receive the Holy Spirit at the time they were saved. You challenged and questioned that. Not once but on every comment you made afterwords. Now you want to play some game here.

Not playing Cluny. We receive the Holy Spirit when we receive Jeuss Christ. Acts does NOT teach one MUST have hands laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit. It actually shows instances where it was not necessary. Only the gullible will be exploited by pastors who insist you MUST have hands laid on you.

If Cluny has issues with this statement then let him PROVE otherwise.

End of discussion.


Mother Of Abominations
  
Psalms 136 is not a repetitious prayer . Not unless someone turns it into a prayer and repeats it over and over and over as if it held some mystical power like chanting the same words over and over in the words or used it over and over in place of THEIR OWN WORDS.









Mother Of Abominations
  
Just to be clear, there is a difference between spiritualizing something away vs symbolic. Verses in Revelation that are symbolic , lets say, Rev 12, the Woman the 12 stars, moon and sun, are explained in Genesis with Joseph's dream. They represent the 12 tribes of Israel, Jacob and Rachael. ***Genesis 37:9-11.

But some want to spiritualized it away to mean the 12 Apostles and Mary.

The sun and moon are NEVER said in scripture to represent Mary. nor are any stars ever said to represent the 12 apostles.

Rev 12 Also coordinate with Zechariah 12-14, which have not happened yet. The second coming of Christ to EARTHLY ISRAEL....a very literal prophecy.



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