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Living Through Tribulation
Monk, you don't understand EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD. So it's futile to even discuss with you both. Besides we were discussing the confusion of the different comings of Jesus Christ, where the Jews confused the two, one through the virgin birth, and the other as the Glorified Lord. I said it is "why" Judas and those in John 6 betrayed Jesus...because Judas as well as the multitude wanted to make Jesus KING then. It wasn't His time to be KING. That comes at His 2nd Coming.

And just as Judas and many in John 6 confused Jesus 1st comings as all in one, so do many today who think the rapture and 2nd coming is an all in one. WRONG! And many will betray Jesus over that confusion as well.

God Or Jesus Miracles
Monk I find it humorous that after Cluny attacks me on everything from punctuation to spelling, as you yourself do have the audacity to pretend it's the other way around.

I asked Cluny to stop attacking me. He asked me a question, without sincerity, but in a snide way, like he does to so many others here, and that he should know the answer to, and NEVER should have asked me in the first place?

Did he ask you to fight his battles? Or are you just a busy-body? Actually I think it's some game you both play here and have for some time.

Why does the CROSS bother you both? That's the real issue behind your assaults.

Follow Jesus Christ Go
We're seeing changes in the world, and alliances swiftly changing with every breath. We shouldn't be so complacent to think things won't change here. These changes are fast and furious, it's frightening. The fact that Trump wants to change our constitution by the stroke of his pen on several issues could one day backfire on all of us. He needs to remember he's not going to be in office forever. And those laws he wants to change could be dangerous in the hands of someone more evil and sinister. OR if our constitution has been shown to be so easily changed by one mad man, look what another mad man can do.

The problem too Nicole is ..I don't want America to become another RCC inquisition one day forcing Christianity on everyone.

Is Socialism Wrong
Cluny is confused. He's never asked me for anything, and certainly not on this thread.

Let's all pray for Cluny.

When Cluny says things like...Steveng, or Kathr, or Melody..."you don't think you are the only bla bla bla, IS NOT ASKING FOR BREAD. ". He's asking for a confrontation. Totally not bread. And has Cluny EVER EVER accepted any bread I have already offered here for over 14 years? NO NOT ONCE! NOW he's hungry? Why now? Monk says he and Cluny know more than anyone here. So it appears AGAIN Cluny is kicking up his own dust.

Let's all pray for Cluny .

USA Foreign Invasion
Nicole, when the Feds took away Bob Jones tax status , THEN they included Blacks, not because of any personal moral conviction. Extreme far right white supremisists. I went to a Bob Jones Church years ago before I knew who and what they were, and I was shocked by things said. In the 80's when Africa was having a horrible drought, they actually said they deserved to die, because they rejected God thousands of years ago, and God was punishing . I confronted the pastor and asked if he could prove his own ancestors from thousands of years ago didn't also reject God, being Gentiles, or was it only black people who rejected God? And why should the PRIVLEGDE of now being born in America and hearing the Gospel make him superior to others?

Living Through Tribulation
WHAT??? Dont quote scripture? So you think the rapture is based on mans personal opinion? Steveng.....Is this why you don't believe Jesus is God, because proving through scripture is nonsense?

I believe in the rapture because it's in scripture...the scripture I was pointing you to.

Is Socialism Wrong
The first Christian community in Jerusalem was not communist. It was an extrodinary time, that did not last forever. Just like the time of the famine during Joseph captivity. That wasnt communism either. I'm sure during these trying times in CA, we will see much of the same thing of people sharing what they have with folks who lost everything.

Communism is when the GOVERNMENT dictates what people have and dont have. Roman rule did not force communism on the early Christians. It was their own choice to help one another. FREE WILL. And it was not mandetory.

Living Through Tribulation
Steveng, Firstly, I'll have to say the Lord showed me through scripture re the translation of the saints based on so many scripture, that I have often posted here. This was not something man taught me.

Also it's not something that can be explained in 125 words. It's actually something one grows up into as they grow up into the fullness of Christ.

One must understand Colossians 1:24-27 before that can happen. I've not seen anyone here that even remotely understands the MYSTERY.

God Or Jesus Miracles
Firstly, no ones soul and spirit die when their body dies, so why should Jesus'?

Luke show a place called Abraham's bosom. This is just a name given to a place for those righteous souls who died, but we're waiting for the Promised Redeemer to bring them into Heaven after His resurrection. Jesus lead the way. Paradise is where Abraham's bosom was. We also see those in Hades LOOKED UP and asked for water. So we see, paradise, Abraham's bosom was UP above. Jesus soul went to the UP part, but may have preached to those in the below part as Peter suggests. Not to give them a second chance, but to maybe say....YOU REFUSED TO BELIEVE IN ME, and that's why you are where you are.

Living Through Tribulation
Trey, I think that is agreed , however THIS ONE is going to be different.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

God Or Jesus Miracles
Cluny, you've never been crucified with Christ..Galatians 2:20-21? You are saying you have never been baptized into His death and raised up together with Him a New Creature? So Colossians 3:1-4 really means nothing to your religious beliefs? That's obvious, as I have always said, we have very little in common.

Your tone shows you are still aggressively stalking me wanting to start an argument. Not having it. I gave the scripture, it's for YOU TO ASK THE LORD TO EXPLAIN, that is if you have a personal relationship with Him where you can ask Him personally, and not have to go to a Bishop or book for your answer.

Did I misspell any words you'd like to attack too?

USA Foreign Invasion
Cluny, it's you who argues against scripture. Down boy, down!

Living Through Tribulation
Yes it does Cluny, but you have to have the Holy Spirit within to enlighten you of those truths.

I explained it already, but you refuse to listen and look at verses.

Cry and whine all you want, grouch, moan whatever. It only shows you are not in any mood to discuss, but only to ARGUE, something you just don't get, or what MAN has taught you. I can't help you there.

Are we done now Cluny?

God Or Jesus Miracles
David, the last Adam, which is Jesus Christ is that life giving spirit. When we died with Christ Romans 6, we then, as we speak experience resurrection life WITH CHRIST, being raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM. Colossians 3:1-4 also reiterate this truth.

This is what and how one has eternal like today, now. We're just waiting for our new bodies fashioned like His. If I died today, I would immediately go home to the Lord. Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Hebrews 12 also say RIGHT NOW, in heaven, not the third one, are the spirits of just men made perfect. They are waiting for their new bodies too.

Even Job believed in the resurrection.

Living Through Tribulation
I was talking about John 6 Cluny, and said so in a previous post. What's the problem YOU can't read? You seem to be guilty of everything you accuse me of. That is so funny.

Sorry you're not well Cluny. So I forgive you for your nasty comments back to me here and else where. If you don't like my posts just ignore. Like I said often, we just don't have the same beliefs on many issues. Deal with it.

God Or Jesus Miracles

2 Corinthians 12:2-4

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell, or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,)

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Paradise is the third heaven. Not to be confused with the 1st Heaven where the HOLY OF HOLIES is.
Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies through the blood of the everlasting covenant on the 3rd day.

USA Foreign Invasion
Steveng, then why are you on here judging judging judging?

Firstly, we are to judge righteous judgement . Secondly, we are to be wise. Wisdom can see through lies. Let's say for exampleTrump were the anti_Christ...., who comes with lying signs and wonders. Now I'm not saying Trump is, but let's just use him as an example of someone lying to deceive the masses. And YOU say I'm not suppose to use my God given discernment to KNOW a liar? OH Please Steveng.

First he says he knows Whitaker very well, then the next day says he doesn't know him at all just heard about him. Pathological liars are very dangerous. You might want to study up on that subject.

USA Foreign Invasion
Cluny, why would I rebuke God? It's you arguing against scripture.

If that's your best comeback, ...WONDERFUL.

Living Through Tribulation
You're too funny Cluny. Maybe the only verse in John 6 YOU KNOW is "eat my flesh and drink my blood". But for those who have read the entire Chapter, there is more involved here.

Is it you have to have the last word, even if it's a silly response? Your attacks have been really strange lately. It's also arrogant of you to always insist everyone but YOU is wrong. It's also arrogant to redicule anothers spelling when YOU can't spell....what...deith instead of deity.

Why the froward mouth?

God Or Jesus Miracles
David, many here including me have shown you. So many verses show Jesus is God, so many verses show the HOLY GHOST being HOLY is God and scripture also refers to the Holy Spirit / Ghost as a person, as well as God. I also gave you Isaiah 9:6. Jesus also said I AM the resurrection and life. I AM is Gods name. Jesus prayer in John 17...John 1:1-17, 1st John chapter 1.

The Jews killed Jesus because He claimed to be God, forgave sin and so on.

Your eyes are blinded because YOU have willfully chosen to keep them closed.

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