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Examine Religious Experience
  
"One" does not mean "One and the same". It means "unified", not "identical".

John 10:30: I and my Father are one.

-BUT-

John 17:11: ... Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:21: That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

We are to be "one" IN THE SAME WAY Jesus and his father are "one". If "one" here meant "one and the same", all Christians would be identical, and the same person, which is clearly not the came.


Coronavirus And Christians
  
We shouldn't fear it, but we must respect it. Early Christians didn't fear Colloseum lions, but they still ate them. Putting yourself at risk of a plague and expecting God to keep you safe is as presumptuous (and deadly) as jumping off the roof and execting angels to catch you - something Satan told Jesus to do, but he refused.

Many pastors foolishly ignore the danger, hold large services, and wrongly assure flocks Psalm 91 will protect them.

A large outbreak in the NE AZ Navajo Nation was tracked to a church service. 34 people were infected at an event at First Assemblies of God Church in Greers Ferry AR. a VA pastor complained about "mass media hysteria", but died of the virus last week.

Everybody, be safe!


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

The "God" of the Old Testament is the one whom Jesus refers to as "The Father". Jesus always refers to himself as "The Son".

Well, except for Isaiah 9:6:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Oneness Christians (who are anti-trinitarians), such as the United Pentecostal Church, believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one and the same, which scripture definitely does not teach.


Examine Religious Experience
  
kathr4453:

Yes, it's true Jesus never rebuked anyone for worshiping him (unlike angels, who DID rebuke people for worshiping them - which is a pretty good way to disqualify Jesus from being Michael!) However, he never suggested or commanded that anyone worship him either.

It's curious there are some indications that Jesus is God, but also some that he isn't, e.g.

Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19: "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God"

Mark 13:32, Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

This is why many things are mysteries, instead of nice, pat answers.


Examine Religious Experience
  
kathr4453:

To be fair, Jesus told us to worship God. He never told us to worship Jesus.

Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:44, and Mark 12:36:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
("The Lord" is God, "my Lord" is the Christ)

"Lord" is a generic term referring to anyone in a superior position, not necessarily God. E.g. in Genesis 23,24,32,33,42,45,47 others call Abraham, Isaac, Esau, and Joseph "my lord", Moses in Exodus 32,34 and Numbers 11,12,36, an angel in Joshua 5:14, and others elsewhere.

Inasmuch as Jesus has the fullness of the godhead (Colossians 2:9), he is definitely Lord, regardless of whether he is actually God.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

What matters is not who Jesus actually is, but what authority he has. People wondered, asking "What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!" (Matthew 8:27, Mark 4:41).

In diplomacy, an Ambassador Plenipotentiary is empowered to negotiate treaties on behalf of a king or government. When he speaks, his words are as if the king himself had spoken.

Colossians 2:9 says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." - he exercises the full authority of God. It doesn't matter if he is actually God, as he can act as if he is. Priests have authority to speak to God on our behalf. Prophets have authority to speak to us on God's behalf. Jesus is both.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

There are a few people here (with David8318 being the most recent) who are Jehovah's Witnesses. JWs don't deny that Jesus is the Son of God. However, they DO deny that he IS God, and say only that he is "a God" (citing a different interpretation of John 1:1, and several other scriptures), and say that Jesus is actually the same person as the archangel Michael.

There are also others who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but is not God himself.


Examine Religious Experience
  
kathr4453:

I think you are confusing "David" with "David8318" (who also sometimes uses "David831"). These are two different people.

David8318 is a devout Jehovah's Witness who almost always tries to twist every discussion on here to JW doctrines (e.g. denying the Trinity and the deity of Christ, and how Jesus is Michael, and about how the Bible mistranslates God's name in hundreds of places, and how early NT manuscripts actually had the word "Jehovah" in them). He seems obsessed with these things, because he seems to discuss little else.


Examine Religious Experience
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: In heaven and the New Earth we will all keep the entire Law. There will be no sinners in Heaven.

Where in the Bible does it say that those in Heaven keep the entire Law?

The Law is given to sinners. Since there are no sinners in heaven, the Law will be irrelevant there.

Since in heaven, none marry or are given in marriage, the concept of adultery is impossible and irrelevant. Since in heaven, nobody dies, the concept of murder is impossible and irrelevant. Those in heaven will not offer up animal sacrifices as the Law requires. Thus, many parts of the Law will become unnecessary and irrelevant, so keeping those will be meaningless.


An AKA Hello
  
Welcome back, aka!


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

The problem is, many call themselves Christians, yet by their acts and deeds are plainly not under "the righteousness of Christ", and don't know God, and don't follow the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

For example, those who follow preachers whose teachings are plainly opposed to what Christ taught (e.g. Paula White), or who believe a man who breaks most of the Ten Commandments on a daily basis is "God's Chosen". Preachers who, during disasters, won't open their churches to the homeless, because it might ruin the upholstery. People who spend more time judging and condemning their neighbors, rather than loving them. "By their fruits you will know them", but it's fruit I wouldn't eat even if starving.


Pestilences And Plauges
  
kathr4453:

Jesus said, "Deny yourself, take up yourself, and follow me" (Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23)
Paula White said in 2007, "Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan."

This January, she said "We command all satanic pregnancies to miscarry" (she's only conditionally pro-Life). In February, she said people should pay church before mortgage and bills.

It's pretty clear she has misled Trump, and a lot of other people.

Trump calls himself a Christian, yet his four primary driving motivations appear to be greed, narcissism, vengeance, and deception. (e.g. Last month coronvirus was a "Democratic hoax" and "totally contained" yet now it's a crisis!?)


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

All Israel (except Levi) gave 10% to support Levi, in lieu of their inheritance. All Levi gave 10% to support the priests.

The Law (including the Ten Commandments and tithing) are useful crutches for children who can follow explicit instructions, but not abstract principles. Adults able to appreciate "love your neighbor as yourself" need no such instructions. They ALREADY avoid murder, theft, adultery, perjury, and envy, and take care of their neighbor (as much as neeeded, not just 10%) without needing to be told. We christians are not under the Law.

It's only people who don't truly follow the law of Christ who need explicit laws to tell them what they should already be doing automatically.


Pestilences And Plauges
  
Some pastors have been preaching "born again, spirit-filled, tithe-paying Christians" are immune from coronavirus because of Psalm 91. Besides being presumptuously elitist, it's also dangerous, and could get many people sick or dead, like parents who pray and don't take sick kids to hospitals, and are surprised when they die - which happens often enough.

The Bible holds many promises (including Christ's follwers will never die), yet churches have been building cemetaries for 2000 years, and people in Christian snake-handling cults get bitten. Not every promise is literally guaranteed to every person.

It's curious that people who claim this don't feel called to safely minister in plague-ridden areas.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

Jesus said "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil." Money is a tool to be used, not an idol to be worshiped, because what we worship, we become slaves to (including God).

Many cannot distinguish wants from needs (especially rich evangelists). You may NEED a car to get to work, but you don't NEED a Mercedes - you just WANT one. If we "love our neighbors as ourselves", we will treat their needs on par with our own, neither less (which is selfish), no more (which is self-destructive).

The tithe was NOT for "the needs of others". It was not charity for the poor. It was specifically to compensate Levi, because unlike other tribes, they had no land of their own.


Examine Religious Experience
  
The problem with tithing mentality is it creates a dichotomy between what is God's or ours. 10% of what we own is God's, and the other 90% ours - the mentality of an employee. 8 hours belongs to his employer, the other 16 to him to do with as he pleases.

Remember the old hymn, "I surrender one tenth! I surrender one tenth! One tenth to thee, my blessed savior! I surrender one tenth!"? Neither do I. It's "I surrender ALL!"

Like the shepherd who gives his life for his flock (unlike the hired man), we are executives, not employees. EVERYTHING we own belongs to God. We are free to use it for our own expenses, but we will be held accountable for those expenses, just like an executive with an expense account.


Examine Religious Experience
  
At least in a denomination, you have collections of many smaller groups who are of one mind, and are accountable to each other, even if each denomination has slightly different beliefs and emphases than others.

Groups that reject denominations and worship independently have a tendency to also not be accountable to anyone else, and are thus much more vulnerable to going off on the doctrinal track without anyone to stop them. This is not to say that such groups are all wrong, but when they DO go wrong, it's a lot harder for anyone inside them to notice.


Seashells On Top Mountains
  
David:

When searcing for truth in any area, study evidence in that area. For theological truth, read the Bible. For historical truth, read histories and consult archaeology. For scientific truth (e.g. this topic), go to the lab and examine the world.


jerry6593:

One can track relationships between members of the same species, and between different species, by examining changes in mitochondrial DNA. That dissimilar species nevertheless show common ancestries this way shows that species of one kind can, in fact, evolve into species of another kind.


Seashells On Top Mountains
  
jerry6593:

In the Cambrian explosion, the creatures involved were coelomates, suggesting one coelomate creature appeared, then spread rapidly spread over the planet, and evolved into other similar creatures.

I recently saw a video where bacteria were introduced to the edge of tray of nutrient jelly treated with stripes of successively stronger antibiotics. They quickly filled the first stripe, but could not penetrate the second. After a while, a spot appeared where one bacterium with better resistance expanded and filled the second layer, then after a while, the third, etc., each in a sudden burst.

In each case, one creature suddenly appeared, and radiated out everywhere - just like Cambrian coelomates.


Seashells On Top Mountains
  
David:

I think for myself. I don't allow any church to tell me what I should think or what I'm allowed to think. The Bible itself says "study to show yourself approved", not "blindly follow what some leader says" (Because that's how we get cults and schisms and things like Jonestown). Paul praised the Bereans, because they "searched the scriptures daily, to see if these things be so" - i.e. they didn't just take other people's word for something, but rather, they diligently researched everything to reach their own conclusions.



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