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What Is Your Truth
  
I am a Christian a member of the SDA church because what I read in the bible matches what we teach.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
To be honest, Doug Batchelor is the only TV preacher I can stand. One day I will have to attend one of your churches, and ask my own questions.

I Dont agree with Saturday sabbath, but outside of that, I cant think of anything you have said, I disagree with. My biggest issue, the issue that keeps me from attending Church, is the salvation teachings which are being taught.

If someone asks, What must I do to be saved, What direction do you give them?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
StrongAxe
If you think Betrayal, was a sign of their love for God,...well Okay then.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
There are people in loving relationships with God, and still fall away. Look at Lucifer and Judas.
---StrongAxe


StrongAxe
What makes you believe Lucifer and Judas loved God, when both of them betrayed God?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
I was forced to go to school and even the doctor. Ain't it awful!---Cluny

Cluny
There is nothing wrong with forcing a child to to church,...IF that church teaches the Truth. A Truth that will lead one into a relationship with God. The Churches I attended, caused me to go astray.

If I had been in a loving relationship with God, like the one I have now, do you think that could have happened?

Look at all the Great men and women of the Bible, those in a relationship with God the Father. Did they go astray? No...and why not? Because they loved God as a child loves a Father.


What Is Your Truth
  
And the Bible and Holy Spirit tell me you've been listening to an impostor.---Cluny

BCV?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
StrongAxe
Thank you, for sharing your story.

That night, when I knelt before God, I prayed...and asked God to forgive me for my sins, and to just show me the way. I believed in God, but I just didnt understand who God was. And to be honest, I really didnt believe anything would happen.

I got up, and noticed Joy had replaced the depression I had felt before the prayer. Though I was ignorant of why it happened, I just wanted that Joy to continue. So I continued in this practice everyday.

I began to feel guilt when I would sin, and for the joy the Lord had placed in my heart, I wanted to please him. Somewhere during this time, I realized I was keeping his commandments of out love. Seven months later,...I was born of God.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
StrongAxe
I was one of those people who were forced to go to church as children, every Sunday mornings and every Sunday night. My parents were Protestants, and we went to many different denominations.

Notice I said...My parents were Protestants. My attendance was their desire, not mine. So as an unwilling participant, not wanting to learn, I didnt. On my 41st birthday I had a midlife crisis, and tearfully, on my knees, asked God to show me the way. And he did.

Know this.
If you seek God for yourself, you will find the way. If you seek it through man, you will be lost.


What Is Your Truth
  
I'll bet you think you're a wit, David. You could be half-right at that.
---Cluny


Ahh...words of wisdom from the Mature Christian.

You simply cannot make up doctrine you claim you get privately apart from Scripture.
---kathr4453


Where did I say I my doctrine opposed scripture? To reiterate, I said, Mine was not taught to me by man, or through reading the Bible, though everything I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is in the Bible.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
How many times must the Bible say something for it to be true?---Cluny

Cluny
You need more than one verse to understand its Context. And BTW, I am ignorant of many JW teachings, except what I have learned here on CN.

And you may be right about my ignorance of your Trinity teachings.
So give me your definition, so I can see if I am.


What Is Your Truth
  
That's how I found the truth.---Cluny

Well then...I will leave that to you and your Priesthood. Jesus is the only Priest I need.


What Is Your Truth
  
"All the rest are lies" is an oversimplification---Cluny
What do you call the opposite of theTruth? I have always believed it to be a lie.

The real question, David, is what makes you think that YOU have the truth?---Cluny
Mine was not taught to me by man, or through reading the Bible, though everything I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is in the Bible.

Those who follow false doctrines are taught the Bible by the teachers of that doctrine, and not by Gods Holy Spirit. Now you may believe your teachers are taught by the Holy Spirit, but if that is true, why must they go to school..seminarys, to learn the doctrines they teach?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  

Jesus saith unto Mary, "Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY Father, and YOUR Father, and to MY God, and YOUR God."---Steveng

I agree Steven.
But Jesus said, he and the Father are one,(John 10:30),....and for many, that seems to be enough to support the Trinity doctrine.

As I have pointed out in the past, Jesus also said when a man marries, he and his wife also become one, (Matthew 19:5). But for some reason, they dont take that literally. ??


Interpret The Bible
  
The Lord teaches us how to pray in (Matthew 6: 9-13). In that prayer, the Lord teaches us daily confession of sin before God. But many people reject this teaching, claiming after Jesus died, they dont need to confess their sin before God.

Why do they, or why do you, reject this teaching?


Is The Bible God's Words
  
Kathrine
What do you think it means, to be Free of sin?


Is The Bible God's Words
  
you seem to be saying one must achieve sinless perfection before they are saved.---kathr4453

Kathrine
After reading the Lords teaching below, does it appear those who sin, are saved?
(John 8:34-35) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily I say unto you, whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever, but the Son abides for ever.


Is The Bible God's Words
  
Again this is in the WORD OF GOD, Not some private message the Holy Spirit gives to only certain people in secret and not to others. --kathr4453

I agree, the conviction of the Holy Spirit is available to all who receive him. And that which I have learned from the Holy Spirit, I have always found written in the Bible...,Well at least in most translations.

But someone who reads a Bible, without being guided by the Holy Spirit, will more than likely, end up following one of many false doctrines. But its not for me to point my finger at those who do, but to show them the foolishness, and hope they turn.


Is The Bible God's Words
  
If one believes one is saved, 1 and 4 feel the same, so how to tell the difference?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
(1 John 3:9-10) KJV is as it is written. I know, because it happened to me. The desire to sin, suddenly disappears, when you are born of God. No desire....No more sin.

I, like many believers, had never confessed my sin before God. But this didnt completely stop the Holy Spirit from convicting me of, A sin. Now there was a lot of sin I couldnt see in my life, because I walked in darkness, but I was only convicted of the One sin.

And every time I committed this sin, God would punish me,...Every Time! Why was the sin there? It was there to simply show me, I was a slave to sin. I was not saved. (John 8:34-35)


Is The Bible God's Words
  
Why do you ask ME about a "No works doctrine"? I frequently quote Matthew 25 "I was hungry and you fed me", etc. where we are judged by our works.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
You believe, Good works plays a role in our salvation? If so, I am happy to hear that, for you are miles ahead of most.


Is The Bible God's Words
  
And what makes you think that StrongAxe was not fulfilled your criteria?---Cluny

My criteria? The criteria comes from Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit simply does not teach against what Jesus taught. StrongAxe and many others believe in a No Works doctrine.

Jesus Christ is the author of Salvation. Can you show me anywhere, in the Authors teachings, where Jesus taught a No Works doctrine?


Is The Bible God's Words
  
You STILL miss the point. Many people do exactly what you suggested, and are sure they are "fully in the light of God".---StrongAxe

I understand, but it is a very hard question to answer. If you were with me, I could simply show you, and you could see for yourself. So, I was taking the opportunity to tell folks what they must do, to learn directly from the Holy Spirit.

Your teachings from the Holy Spirit will begin with the conviction of sin, and then, after you are born of God, then you will be taught by the Holy Spirit, as a teacher.

The Holy Spirit is present in those who teach what the Spirit has taught them, a presence of peace and Joy, a presence you can feel.



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