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Predestined For Hell
  
Strongaxe:

I urge you my friend to let the Lord Jesus explain to you his own words and not you attempting to tell him what he actually meant (yes you said it Jesus but you really don't know what your talking about)

I know your World View will not allow you to do so but read in context verses 13-23 and tell me where is a billion or any numbers mentioned for the elect???

Praying for you,

God Bless,


Predestined For Hell
  

kathr said, "You all also claim faith is forced on one as well."


Kathr, according to Eph 2:1-2

Again, my questions to you are

Kathr, if someone brings a dead person back to life is that force yes or no?

Can people who are dead choose yes or no?
ReadEph2:1-6. Paul tells you.


Predestined For Hell
  

kathr said, "You all also claim faith is forced on one as well."


Kathr, according to Eph 2:1-2

Again, my questions to you are

Kathr, if someone brings a dead person back to life is that force yes or no?

Can people who are dead choose yes or no?
ReadEph2:1-6. Paul tells you.



Its interesting how Kathr and strongaxe are trying to engage in personal attacks since they realize Scripture is ripping their faulty assertions apart lol


Predestined For Hell
  

js1234 said, "
john9346, yes, everyone will be saved. That's what God wills and whatever God wills, will happen. It is as simple as that, and it's a very wonderful thing!"


Sir, show everyone here from the Scriptures where Jesus and his apostles taught this?? Just saying something doesn't make it true no matter how many times you repeat it...


Predestined For Hell
  
strongaxe:

Matt 7:14 is addressing the contrasting and comparison of the availability of behavior/sin not numbers because rev 7 and 5 shows many who are actually of the elect.

Now you just shown how you cant support your assertions of billions and Scripture teach no such thing.


Predestined For Hell
  

strongaxe:

1. your assertion is based on what you don't understand what we who are reform/calvinists tteach.

2. Your assertion is further flawed because you are asserting that sinners are innocent who the Lord Jesus states are not.
Why are you calling the Lord Jesus a liar?

Next, God commands and calls sinners to repent and believe and come to him:

Mk 1:15, Acts 2:38, Lk 13:1-5, and Rom 3:23

I challenge show from Scripture that the Lord Jesus and his apostles taught that sinners are innocent


Predestined For Hell
  

kathr said, "Limited atonement is OT animal sacrifice.."

Kathr is everyone in the entire world saved yes or no?

Kathr said, "Also a gift of something OFFERED, not forced on. God no more forces salvation on ALL anymore than He forces on a FEW."

Kathr, if someone brings a dead person back to life is that force yes or no?

Can people who are dead choose yes or no?


Predestined For Hell
  
strongaxe:

Your assertion is fallacious because Scripture doesn't state whether the elect is 2 million or 2 billion some few or all , so i have to wonder how you conclude such Unbiblical mathematics??

As far as your anology regarding parents to children in jumping the wall the question you must answer is are parents infanently just, holy, and perfect yes or no???


Predestined For Hell
  

js1234 said, "John9346, God has said that it is his will everyone be saved. 1st Timothy 2:4."

No sir, I'm stating what Paul moved by the Spirit meant when he wrote 1 Tim 2:4 in context is addressing all kind of men in government to be prayed for in prayer see vs 2:1-4.

The only way anyone minds are changed is simply by allowing the authors of Holy Scripture to tell us what they meant and not us tell them what we think they should have said to make us feel better...

Furthermore, Paul himself believed absolutely in predestination Rom 8:29-30, 9:9-23, Eph 1:13.

May the Lord convince you of himself soli deo gloria


Predestined For Hell
  
js1234:

If you reject Calvinism then why did you write the following just recently:




Salvation is entirely God's work. There is nothing that we can do to get ourselves saved. This is really good news because I know for sure there is nothing about me, and there is nothing that I have ever done, that could make God save me.


"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."

- Ephesians 2:8-10

---JS1234 on 9/7/19






Predestined For Hell
  
js1234 said, "Are people who do not become Christians predestined to hell, or do they just go there by default?"
Yes, those who are in hell are reprobates they are people who God for his own sovereign purpose have chosen to leave in their sins they are under God's Just Condemnation.


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  

js1234 said, "Satan can be forgiven, and will be forgiven eventually. I have no doubt of that at all."

Scripture please???


Finish It Here June 2019
  
js1234 said, "
Jesus did not come to save us from hell. He came to save us from our sins."

Is that true???
And what does sin lead to what is the result of one not repenting of sin ever read Jn 3:36? Lk 16:19-31? 2 Thes 1:8-9? Rev 20:11-15 and Rom 6:23?


Finish It Here June 2019
  

Js1234 said, "
If God is so filled with wrath, how is it that Jesus asked his Father to forgive the people who crucified him, even though they had not even asked for forgiveness?"

Good question:

1. Because those who were crucifying him didn't realize Christ was satisfying the Wrath ofGod in their place.

See, 1 Cor 2:8

2. God's Wrath is on all those who will not repent see, Jn 3:36, and 2 Thes 1:8- Rev 21:8-9.9


Finish It Here June 2019
  
strongaxe:

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against God.

Have you ever told a lie??? looked with lust on a woman??? stolen??? been disobedient to your parents??? have you always loved God perfectly???

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against you a sinner...

Plead with God to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath on you.


John


Finish It Here June 2019
  
strongaxe:

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against God.

Have you ever told a lie??? looked with lust on a woman??? stolen??? been disobedient to your parents??? have you always loved God perfectly???

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against you a sinner...

Plead with God to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath...



John


Finish It Here June 2019
  
Cluny,

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against God.

Have you ever told a lie??? looked with lust on a woman??? stolen??? been disobedient to your parents??? have you always loved God perfectly???

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against you a sinner...

Plead with God to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath...


John


Finish It Here June 2019
  
js1234 said, "I am just curious, where does the Bible say Jesus wrote any of it? I can't seem to find any reference to that in my Bible."

Sir, have you read the gospel that state, "Jesus said, Jesus said, Jesus said?


Finish It Here June 2019
  

strongaxe said, "You still haven't told me how YOU can know John is scripture and Laodiceans is not."

Sir, Read the postings i've posted here for you they have your answer if your willing to abandon the world view you hold, but your worlrd view has a deep sway over you...

In your own writings on the postings you demonstrated to all that you don't know what is Sola Scriptura. Remember, you thought canon was the Nature of Scripture and the Nature of Scripture was canon. Its illogical to attack what you have no knowledge of???



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