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Why Confess Your Sins
THOSE SAVED BY GRACE are UNDER GRACE And being UNDER GRACE does not mean lawlessness or a license to sin. There is not one verse in scripture stating we are UNDER the Law of Christ. Those UNDER GRACE live by union with Christ the Perfect law of Liberty.

The Law of Christ is to carry one another's burdens and so FULFILL the law of Christ. No Law of Christ says..."now you are UNDER the Law of Christ YOU MUST do this or that, and when you do, you will be sinless." Again just another bit of nonsense David made up.

Those UNDER GRACE have died to sin. We now live by the faith of Christ, walking in the Spirit ..the ONLY law of the Spirit of the life of Christ available only to those UNDER GRACE.

Why Confess Your Sins
And once you do CHOOSE to get a license in hunting fishing and driving, even getting a pilot license, you are under MORE LAWS than just a single law of saying IF you want to participate in these areas, you MUST take tests to even QUALIFY to get a license. Israel never had such options, and as a Christian, we don't have to take tests either to get a license to be a Christian to then be under the Law to be free. It simply is nonsense that does not apply to Israel under the Law or Christians Inlawed to Christ.

Why Confess Your Sins
David is not obeying the Gospel according to the Mystery. If that is an issue with David, then so be it. We know according to Paul those who came into Galatia brought ANOTHER GOSPEL...YES and that is the one David is promoting, making all sorts of claims as to what the Law of Christ according to his immature understanding of scripture. He continually attacke because he is the one struggling, and wont have rest until he feels he can convert you to his way of thinking. WHY OH WHY after walking with the Lord for over 40 years wouod I thumb my nose in Gods face and follow David, who u do not know, do not agree with, and never will.

Just get over it David. Badgering with your insuts doesnt make you only makes you obnoxious.

Why Confess Your Sins
Paul was not LAWLESS or turned the LAW into immorality as David's nonsense wants you to think.

So your comment about Saul Paul is about as strange and deranged as it comes.

Those saved by Grace are not murdering CHRISTIANS as Saul was doing under the LAW, because under the law it was worthy of death to worship any other that God. And the Pharisees simply rejected the TRUTH that Jesus Christ was the Promised Messiah Son of God.

So your last statement is just more schizophrenia in the making.

You say may misunderstand Pauls teaching. NO YOU DO. You don't even understand Pauls conversion. What a hoot! You are here to attack Christians David. I've got your number.

Why Confess Your Sins
I'd also like to know how getting a license is comparative to what...Salvation? So if I get a license...aka getting saved, I am no longer under the law. I agree.

The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ UNTIL FAITH CAME. There fore now that faith has come we are no longer under the schoolmaster.aka the Law. So Faith is compared to getting a license, and once you get that license, you are not under the schoolmaster..aka the Law.

Ok, so why say one thing, and then totally argue against in in the next breath? that's what is schizophrenia in the making.

Why Confess Your Sins
David says These laws as in plural, Nicole says THAT LAW, as in singular...the law of having to get a license ONLY. However, every license owner, whether drivers, hunter, fisher, fire arms, HAVE LAWS under those licenses they must obey. Insurance, following the rules of the road, no drinking or driving, etc etc, carry MORE LAWS for those who are licensed.

If you have no desire to get a license in these areas, ( which many of these licenses require ALSO REQUIRE tests to pass in the first place) then and only then are you not under these laws.

So if you want to live IN THE FLESH, yes, you need to be under the LAW that regulates the flesh. But those who live and walk in the Spirit, are under the Perfect LAW OF LIBERTY.

Why Confess Your Sins
There are actually more verses that we are NOT justified by the Law, but ran out of space.

Romans 2:13 verses 7-9 PLUS verses that say the opposite. When this happens what should we do? Take the one verse and throw the other away? NO NO NO. God does not contradict Himself, but WE contradict God when we fail to read the content and not verses out of context, by cherry picking. No doctrine is based on ONE VERSE.

Paul teaches OVER AND OVER we are justified BY FAITH in His blood. ROMANS 5:9.

No one can work to justify themselves. Only Mormons and LEGALISTS teach this false doctrine.

Why Confess Your Sins
Yes Pauls epistles are founded in the Gospel,of Jesus Christ.

I'm very suspicious of those who claim to be born of God, but by some other way than being crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him, aka Quickened together with Christ, aka being Born again. The Last Adam is that life giving spirit. But your old Adam is not being rebirthed. Your old Adam is being CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. We DEID to sin when and only when we died with Christ. Pauls epistles are STEEPED with this truth.

David has balked over and over on this truth. With that, I find he may be preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL, cherry picking verses out of context to support his incomplete understanding of the Gospel of Grace.

Why Confess Your Sins
David, I'm going to attempt to answer your question above. Job, Abraham, Abel etc lived before the LAW, yet we see they all offered sacrifice to God FOR SIN. Sin was in fact in the world from Adams SIN. Job sacrificed for the sins of his sons. So they did know what sin was before the law. The promise of the Messiah to save from sin was first announced in Genesis 3:15. Job said, I KNOW THAT MY REDEEMER LIVETH.

We even have Noah preaching for 125 years before the flood, before the Law. Are you saying man was ignorant of sin then? Not according to Romans 1-2.

Why Confess Your Sins
It's very dangerous to take ONE VERSE, and build a doctrine around it. Just like David taking Romans 7 insisting it teaches the LAW, he failed to continue reading to the end that through Christ we are delivered from the law, being delivered from the power of sin, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

And David, you still haven't answered any of my questions. Just answer this....if you no longer sin, because Gods seed is in you....why are you keeping the law? Either you can't sin, like you claim, or you need the law to keep you flesh from sinning. So obviously you are afraid of sinning correct? So you CAN SIN...even though His seed is in you..CORRECT?

Baptism A Public Testimony
Romans 6: 3 don't you know those who were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

These verses compliment Ephesians 2. Romans 4-5 NEVER once say God forced anyone to be crucified with Christ first without their consent unknowingly in order to believe. Romans 4 is our JUSTIFICATIONS by FAITH FIRST. Romans 5 explains Jesus Death and resurrection and the Gift of Grace, or Gift of Righteousness THROUGH JESUS CHRIST death and resurrection, and Romans 6 show our life AFTER WE BELIEVE, having now been quickened together with Christ.

Baptism A Public Testimony
John 6 is a most amazing chapter. On one hand we can see the ALMOST Calvinist's perspective verses David's here in total contrast. Many many multitudes were following Jesus, wanting to make Him KING right then and there. They wanted the good life the earthly kingdom would bring...peace, Jesus ruling and not Rome, etc, etc, Peace Love Dove ...all the Earthly Kingdom has promised we see prophecied in the OT. BUT even though it was promised, IT WASNT the CORRECT TIMING or DOCTRINE Jesus was preaching at that time...because to eat my flesh and drink my blood was NEVER a doctrine belonging to the Earthly Kingdom reign or the law of commandments. And never stated as A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE YOU.

So does correct doctrine matter? YES!

Baptism A Public Testimony
Michael we also see in Acts those who RESISTED THE HOLY SPIRIT. All day long I have reached my hand out to you, but YOU would not.

Also Peter says we are BORN AGAIN by the WORD of God....who Scripture says is Jesus. Jesus is that Life Giving Spirit. Eph 2 says when we are QUICKENED TOGETHER With Him and raised up together with Him, Romans 6 say it's because we first died with Christ. So this strange Calvin doctrine that the HS is doing His own thing apart from The Father and Son is so baffling and no scriptural support.

I can not shed my own blood and die for my sin thereby saving myself. FAITH IS NOT WORKS. SO there is one who's sacrifice was acceptable to God for our sin. ONLY JESUS SAVES.

Why Confess Your Sins
Ephesians 2:1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, ..... 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past ..... 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,)6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Baptism A Public Testimony
I go back to (John 14:21) the very foundation of our House. (Matthew 7:26) Notice Jesus uses the word commandments, in (John), If you keep my commandments, you love me...and you shall be loved by my Father... This is the True teaching of Grace, and how its received.

---David on 1/4/19

First you sound like a Calvinist saying God decides who to save, then you post above saying one can earn or receive Grace by obeying the commandments. Ephesians 2 show you wrong. Galatians 2:20-21 tell us EXACTLY what GRACE is.....and it's NOT keeping the law. WE are saved by Jesus sacrifice on the cross ...justified by His blood AND SAVED BY HIS LIFE....CHRIST IN YOU His life IN YOU. He doesn't come to live IN YOU by keeping any commandments.

Baptism A Public Testimony
David, I was saved at 9 years old, and water baptized at 30. I'm now 70 and have a most awesome wonderful relationship with the Lord, growing in the Grace and knowledge of HIM and have no reason to smash my foundation of being Crucified with Christ and raised up a New Creature where I came face to face with the Father, ( no one can come to the Father except through the Son) where I now possess the Riches that are IN CHRIST ONLY. This all came through the fellowship of His sufferings, Philippians 3.

So keep on and I will use YOU to preach the true Gospel of our salvation.

All this began in my life when I OBEYED Romans 6-8 and Romans 12:1-2

Do Beliefs Equal Salvation
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

To be IN CHRIST who is God is how we are born of GOD. Since Michael was created....and man was created, there is no way, even if Jesus was Michael that through Michael we could ever be BORN OF GOD.


Our being Born of God and raised up to sit together in Heavenly places IN CHRIST actually place us ABOVE THE ANGELS. The Church has a place HIGHER THAN THE ANGELS.

So again their doctrine is Satan offering them something that does not exist for those supposedly born of Michael. Yikes talk about anti_Christ to the core.

Do Beliefs Equal Salvation
David, I didn't ask a question, but simply responded to your post, that seems to be derived from your own personal opinion without scriptural back up. I'm not sure who you want to gain knowledge, but I get mine from the Lord in person....through His Word.

Do Beliefs Equal Salvation
David, question....

If you are now incapable of sin, why are you working for your salvation? Isn't being sinless enough? Yet you don't even have any security or assurance of your salvation. So you believe what? That God is going to weigh your good works on a scale and if the buzzer goes off, you've achieved the threshold and EARNED YOUR SALVATIONS, which you keep insisting you can't work for it.

Your beliefs are confusing. Because scripture teaches we have been created IN CHRIST to do the works HE has for us ....not our own. But only those IN CHRIST can access these works OF FAITH. But you don't believe the doctrine of being IN CHRIST and how we got there.

What exactly are you? It sounds so MORMON TO ME.

Do Beliefs Equal Salvation
We may not be saved by knowledge, however we are anchored by the knowledge of the truth. Jesus is made unto us wisdom and the knowledge of Him. There are far to many CULTS people chase after, where there will be horrible consequences for those who follow after. We are to be rooted and grounded inTRUTH....because all this "peace love dove" new age stuff, IS NOT the Love of God flowing through us. It's counterfeit. Jesus, Paul Peter John , the Prophets before them etc DIED for speaking TRUTH, not compromising truth so they could give and receive touchy freely lovely feelings.

If you think otherwise then back it up with scripture.

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