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Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Kathryn
If you werent so easily angered I would continue. I hope one day, you discover the Gospel of Jesus is the foundation of your salvation, and not your doctrine.

One bit of advice. Your Demeanor on CN changed after Trump was elected. Forget about politics for a while...dont watch them on TV, listen to them on the radio or debate them on CN.

I will pray for you.


Do Beliefs Equal Salvation
  
God is not finished with any of us yet. Not with you. Not with me.---Cluny

I believe that Pretty well sums it up, and the Bible is replete with evidence of this.

Only those who are led to believe they are saved, dont read those parts of the Bible. Their teachers guide them through the Bible, so they only see those verses, they want them to see. Many dont read it on there own, because they cant understand it. Because they read it, using their doctrine as a foundation for understanding.

Year after year, they are taught the same lessons over and over.
A teacher teaches and a student learns. If they need to teach it again and again,..are they teaching or brainwashing?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, I'm asking again what faith are you affiliated with?---kathr4453

Kathryn
I have no affiliation with any doctrine founded by men.
My doctrine?
I discovered the Truth by following Gods Holy Spirit. A Truth well documented and founded upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You believe you have found the Truth in your doctrine, so your search has never really began. Kathryn, Seek your truth from God. I hope one day you will go back and drink the milk of the Lords Gospel, instead of choking on the epistles of Paul.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Kathryn
I asked the question, as you appear to have guessed, because of the use of the word Prince in Daniel. The book of Daniel implies, the kingdom in Heaven was once much like the ones God established here on Earth. If these kingdoms in heaven are angels, what position in this hierarchy do you think the Sons of God held?

There really isnt any evidence to show an absolute truth on this topic. So anything we say is subjective, which keeps a conversation from becoming an argument.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Kathryn
The Bible mentions The Sons of God in (Job 1:6). Do you believe these Sons of God, mentioned, are Angels too?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Seeing there are billions probably of Angels to begin with, any we know with names, as Lucifer, Michael or Gabriel must be pretty high up in rank. Lucifer was the highest, yet never said to be an archangel that I can find.---kathr4453

True, but the Michael in (Daniel) is said to be...a Prince. Can you show me an Angel in the Bible given this same designation?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Some of you bring up the issue that Angels dont wear crowns. I can only assume you bring this up, because Michael in the book of Jude....is an Archangel.

Personally, I dont see any evidence Michael in the book of Daniel and Revelation, is Michael.... the Archangel, written about in the book of Jude.

When I read Jude, Jude appears to designate his Michael as an Archangel, simply so folks dont confuse him with the Michael written about in the book of Daniel. Notice the designation of Archangel, is not given to the Michael written about in Revelation or Daniel.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
I believe 'prince' is used as a metaphor. Like when some call their boyfriends: their knight in shining Armour. As an example that he protects her. ---Nicole_Lacey

I can see why you might believe that, in accordance with the verse I gave you. Here is a better one, which shows Michael is a Prince.

(Daniel 10:13) But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there with the kings of Persia


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
No, because we know his name and it isn't Word of God. Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
True, if the rider in (Chapter 19) is the same rider in (Chapter 6).

Plus St. Michael doesn't wear crowns.--Nicole_Lacey

There are many who wear crowns in the book of Revelation. Wouldnt you agree that Michael, being a Prince, probably wears one too? (Daniel 10:21).


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
I believe the Man on the White Horse is Jesus---Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
Recently I thought so too. But I now believe the rider of the white horse might be Michael.

Notice it is the Lamb in (Revelation 6:1) who opens the seals that releases the horses, and the Lamb is still opening seals after the white horse is released.

If the Lamb is Jesus Christ, could he be the rider of the white horse? This information may lead to an interesting study for both of us.


Christian MeToo Backlash
  
I dont think the church is as polarizing as politics, so I doubt it will be as effective a tool to ruin reputations, as in the case of a Supreme Court justice.

To destroy a church official you must bring forth enough evidence to convince the parishioners of his guilt.If a church had Catholics on one side of the church and Protestants on the other side of the same church, then it might become a problem.


Christians With Depression
  
Cluny
You may know this, but just in case you dont, Cherry juice is very beneficial to ward off the effects of Gout. I have several friends who have used this remedy and some who say it has cured them.

If you havent used this remedy, hopefully it will give you some relief.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
(Daniel 12:1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Notice in the above passage, Michael is not called the savior of his people. But it does suggest, he will be with the Savior during the second coming.
This coincides with our knowledge that Jesus will come with an archangel in (1Thessalonians 4:16).

Nicole
I dont understand the point you are trying to make. Are you trying to show evidence Michael and Jesus are one and the same?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, don't forget that Jesus said, "I came not to bring peace, but a sword.---Cluny
Jesus is called Prince of Peace because no one can defeat Jesus nor try to wage war after His 2nd coming.---Nicole_Lacey


True, but who is wielding the sword, Jesus or Michael? The Bible says Jesus will return with the shout of an archangel. (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Isnt it feasible to assume,....Michael is that archangel?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Personally, I think if Michael and Jesus were the same person, the Bible would have said so. Besides, Michael is shown to be a warrior, not a Prince of Peace.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
This is why the JWS believe what they believe about Michael. Im not a JW, but the scripture is compelling.

(Daniel 12)1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.


Should We Be Baptized
  
And tell us why you think Paul is a false teacher?---kathr4453

Kathryn
I do not see Paul as a false teacher, I find your use of Pauls teachings false. Using your example, I will demonstrate.

(Galatians & 5:16) Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
If you sin, you are fulfilling the lust of the flesh. If you are fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, you are not walking in the spirit.
Kathryn, do you sin?

(Galatians 5:18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
If you sin, you have not been born of God. (1 John 3:9-10) Therefore, Paul can only be talking about those who can not sin, as not being under the Law.


Should We Be Baptized
  
Kathryn
People can change the Bible to say what they desire it to say, but the one thing you can not deny, is the condition of your heart. If you feel hatred for anyone...you are not saved.

You have to admit, that was a very wise thing for God to do. It is the most obvious sign of salvation, that you cannot override with misinterpreted scripture or by false doctrines.

It was the thing I noticed most on the day I was saved, I loved everyone. I debate you and others because I love you, and I want you to find the right path. Take my one week challenge and let God prove to you, whether your doctrine is right or not. Thats all I ask of you.


Do Democrats Steal Elections
  
Come on folks. These arguments just make you mad...so why engage in them? Has anyones mind been changed? No!!!
So agree to disagree and just walk away.

How does that serenity prayer go?
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.



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