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What Is Purgatory
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You keep missing the point. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception doesn't say Mary was "purified" from sin. It asserts that Mary herself was CONCEIVED without sin. She never needed to be purified from sin - she was born without it in the first place. This meant that God somehow performed a miracle that allowed her to be born without the sins of her parents entering into it.

But if he could do that for Mary, why couldn't he have done it for Jesus? What made it NECESSARY to do that for Mary? And if that was necessary for her, wouldn't it also have been necessary for HER mother, and her grandmother before her, etc. all the way back to eve?


What Is Purgatory
  
Nicole_Lacey:

No. Immaculate Cenception is. I'm saying the exact opposite. Mary HAD to have inherited Adam's curse via her father. The only three who did not do so were Jesus (his father was God), and Adam and Eve (not born).

Regardless of WHEN life starts, everybody else inherits it from both their human parents, with all the baggage that goes with it.

If God had to make Mary sinless in order to provide a sinless body for Jesus, why did he not ALSO have to make Mary's mother sinless in order to provide a sinless body for Mary, and Mary's grandmother sinless in order to provide a sinless body for Mary's mother, and so on, all the way back to Eve (who was NOT sinless, proving the original premise absurd)?


What Is Purgatory
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Sin was transmitted from the father, via direct descent through Adam. Since Jesus' father (God) was not decended from Adam, Jesus did not inherit Adam's sin.

But your question brings out the whole logical inconsistency of the Immaculate Conception doctrine. If Jesus could not have been born sinless if his mother had been sinless, wouldn't the same apply to Mary as well? How could SHE be born sinless if her MOTHER were not sinless, and so on as far as Eve? If God was able to "bend the rules" to make Mary sinless, why could he have not been able to do so for Jesus?


kathr4453:

In Numbers 21:8-9: God had Moses make a brass serpent, to heal those who looked at it.


Denominational Church Missing
  
Samuelbb7:

You wrote: First in the Fourth Commandment all those who lived in Israel were to keep Sabbath. Which includes strangers. Exodus. 20:10

Yes. However, the vast majority of Christians do not actually live in Israel, so that does not apply to us. We do not live in Israel. We are not "brought to the Holy Mountain". We do not offer burnt offerings and sacrifices there.


Finish It Here January 2019
  
Steveng:

Catholics do NOT worship the Pope. He is their leader, NOT their God. In your zeal to accuse and condemn ALL denominations (Catholic or not), you conveniently forget "Thou shalt not bear false witness". Remember who the Bible calls "The Accuser"? Look it up!

The Bible IS highly dangerous, as are other powerful things like cars and electricity. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use them, only use them with responsibility and discernment.

Look how many interpret it strangely to create thousands of outlandish doctrines and denominations based on those doctrines that YOU, YOURSELF hate!

As for "God's failure", read what Francis said without plucking two words out of context.


What Is Purgatory
  
Cluny:

Yes. I was just thinking about this yesterday, in the context of this particular discussion.
Despite the Decalogue's condemnation of idolatry, God himself occasionally did use iconic symbols - the Serpent in the wildneress, the Cherubs on the Ark of the Covenant, etc. and these were not considered idolatrous the same way the Golden Calf was.


Nicole_Lacey:

She EXPLICITLY said otherwise, and "yuck!". However, that absurd idea is one conclusion one could reach from the premises that "Jesus is ths Son of the Father" + "Mary is the Mother of God" + "Jesus is God".


Denominational Church Missing
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: What other Commandments do you Sabbath-haters deny?

Time and time again, on these blogs, various SDA people keep resurrecting the Sabbath question over and over again, despite it having been discussed to death. People who worship on Sunday don't HATE the Sabbath, they merely choose to worship on another day. As Paul said, "Let each be persuaded in his own mind", which THEY are perfectly content to do, but YOU aren't.

The only "hate" I have ever seen on these particular blog topics seems to come from SDA Sabbatarians who self-righteously condemn everybody else who doesn't agree to worship as they do.


Finish It Here January 2019
  
Steveng:

You wrote: She only studied it the way the catholic church wanted her to know.

But of course, YOUR way is necessarily better, at least that's what you want us to believe, right?

One of the things that is common among young people, typically in their 20s, is that they think they know everything. Usually, by the time they reach their 30s or 40s, they realize how foolish and presumptuous such an assumption actually is.


Finish It Here January 2019
  
Melody:

Who is condemning Nicole (and many others)? You are! Almost every message you post is a condemnation of one person or other. If you were REALLY quoting God's Word (instead of your own), you could provide chapter and verse references for those Words, yet you almost never do, even after being asked repeatedly. Instead, you just claim you're being attacked, and heap on more condemnation.

You accuse her of being spiritually blind. Before criticizing the speck in someone's eye, first remove the beam from your own (Matthew 7:3-5, Luke 6:41-42).

THAT's how to quote God's Word - references that others can look up to see EXACTLY what God actually said, without having to rely on your memory of what you think he did.


Finish It Here January 2019
  
Steveng:

You wrote: I know more about the (Roman) Catholic Church than any one on this site for I used to be one and studied it for over ten years.

Good for you. I grew up one too, and Nicole_Lacey appears to have been one her entire life, so unless she's a ten year old girl (which is highly unlikely), she's likely studied it more than you have. Also, Cluny probably knows more about it than anyone else here.


What Is Purgatory
  
Cluny:

You wrote, on 2/11/19: Moderator, why was my posting about mass stipends removed?

If you scroll down to 2/10/19, 7 messages below where you asked about why it was removed, you will find your post. It wasn't removed.


Denominational Church Missing
  
mike:

You wrote: melody - where does it say in the bible you can worship God ANY day?

Where does it say in the Bible you are FORBIDDEN to worship on any day except the Sabbath? Where in the Bible does it say you MUST worship on the Sabbath? I have asked you these questions MANY times, yet you have NEVER answered then even once. Why is that? Perhaps because there are no such scriptures! You're making it all up, and just parroting SDA theology without understand the scriptural basis (or rather, non-basis) for it.


Finish It Here January 2019
  
Steveng:

The Catholic church does not teach worship of statues, so again, you are constructing a straw man of your own devising, and then burning it down, and then blaming it for being made of straw.


Finish It Here January 2019
  
john9346:

You wrote: first, the prayers that have been posted,
Next, The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori
The CCC, other Rc Quotations, etc.
popes


Notably absent in ALL of these is the word "worship". Try again.

But you fail to understand that Marian Worship is sanction by Rc Authority Practice,

Please show evidence of that.

You can't blame all Catholics for what some Catholics do but isn't what the CC teaches, yet excuse all Baptists for what some Baptists do but isn't what the BC teaches. You must use the same yardstick in both cases to avoid hypocritical judgment.


What Is Purgatory
  
Cluny:

If you file a case in civil court, all the charges are well documented in advance, so you can predict how much the procedure will cost you, in advance. If a Nigerian "prince" says he will offer you millions of dollars, there's always some small "fee" that must be paid up front, but once that's paid, there's always some other fee, and another, and another. That's the difference between honest fees and dishonest ones.


Denominational Church Missing
  
mike:

You keep saying that 7th day is the Sabbath, but have yet to say exactly what that MEANS. You have yet to cite any verse that COMMANDS worship on the Sabbath or FORBIDS worship on any other day.

I have REPEATEDLY said Jesus did NOT "change" the sabbath to the 1st day, so why do you keep replaying that broken record? By repeatedly asking the same question, and getting the same answer, it means you're not paying attention. Why should anyone ever answer your questions if you just ignore the answers? Why should anyone discuss anything with you when you repeatedly refuse to answer their questions?

I have answered yours, repeatedly. Why do you not answer mine?


Finish It Here January 2019
  
Melody:

Outside of your constant raving against it, have you ever, even once in your life, read the Catholic catechism, and seen what it is that they ACTUALLY believe and teach? I think you might be quite surprised, and find that the vast majority of it is very much in line with what Protestants believe and the Bible teaches.

But I realize that it's much easier to condemn and maintain a "holier than attitude" than to try to actually understand the nuances. It's hard work to separate wheat from chaff, but much easier to just burn down the whole cornfield.


What Is Purgatory
  
Melody:

You wrote: For sure your conscience is not of a true Christian as it doesn't bother for you to keep accusing others of false testimonies and the reason behind

You constantly accuse Cluny and me and others of false testimonies, so by your own criteria, does that mean you aren't a true Christian either?

If you don't want others to accuse you, you shouldn't accuse them either. Jesus specifically talked about this in The Golden Rule, and in the parable about criticizing the speck in someone else's eye.


Denominational Church Missing
  
mike:

Yet again, what, EXACTLY does "keep the Sabbath holy" mean? The Bible doesn't say anything about worshiping on the Sabbath, nor forbidding worship on any other day. So why do you keep harping on what day people worship?


Finish It Here January 2019
  
john9346:

You wrote: Strongaxe obviously has not read Roman Catholic Material that utterly contradict him

I grew up Catholic, and I know what we were taught. Do you? What "Roman Catholic Material" do you know of that "utterly contradicts me"? Be specific. Cite specific official Catholic publications that do.

comparing Baptitst Jim Crow Views to Roman Catholics Worship is comparing apples to oranges so so Logically Inconsistent...

Some Baptists believed that, but that doesn't mean we should judge ALL Baptists on it, any more than we should judge ALL Catholics based on what a few might believe.



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