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Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, no anger here. I asked questions you always refuse to answer, but instead give some condescending lecture on my faith and beliefs in its place. Its called deflecting and you do it well. But it is very noticable.

When someone say...Cluny decides to jump in with some snarky remark not even on topic, but just lays low for that perfect opportunity to make his regular snarky remarks...where are you? Maybe a little hypocrisy here David?

I've spent a lot of time with you David over different subjects, only for you to come back with condescending insults instead of answers. SOOO, Clean up your own mess first David, before playing God in others, confessing your prideful nature before counceling others. Its a start. Now GO!


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Protestant means to protest Catholicism. Before there was a Catholic earthly church with a non scriptural pope, there were Christians. Many Protestant churches still teach many false Catholic Orthodox etc doctrine like infant baptism, as did Calvin, who I also disagree with. Many Protestant churches still keep the Sabbath. So it's very shallow to assume one is Protestant without fully understanding it's roots. I'm also not Calvin OR Arminian....however you spell it. You don't have to be one or the other.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Hebrews 1-2, show in the OT God sent Angels as messengers to communicate between God and man. Gabriel was the messenger to Mary concerning Gods will. So no I don't believe Michael in Daniel is Jesus....he's Michael, the Prince given over Israel to protect Israel even to the end as Rev shows.

TODAY we have the resurrected Jesus Christ, the only Begotten SON OF GOD, not an angel or created being, as the intermediate between God and man...as the letter to Timothy also clearly point out.

When Adam fell, intimate fellowship between God and man ended. SIN separated man from God. Jesus took our sin paying the penalty of separation and judgement so that we can come to the Father to again have intimate personal fellowship with Him.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, I'm not Protestant. And your condescending comment that my beliefs do not come from the Lord that comes through scripture is laughable if you claim yours comes any differently.

Everything I know I already stated comes from being totally surrendered Romans 12:1-2 to first be able to KNOW the perfect will of God, which is His truth, revealed to those who earnestly seek to KNOW the truth studying as well rightly dividing the word of Truth, with a sincere heart without prejudice ....by faith as the Lord reveals to those who take part in the fellowship of His Sufferings. Philippians 3.....you also scoff at.

Your condescending remarks only show your arrogance, pride...we KNOW GOD RESISTS the proud.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, I'm asking again what faith are you affiliated with? I don't know of any mainstream churches who consider Angels as kingdoms, except maybe Mormons? And your fascination with Angels??? My blog question was about Jesus asking any supporting scripture saying Jesus was created, which there is not. Interestingly you want to turn the blog around to some idea you want to supporting Daniel in a light that seems to be in support of something else. Possibly hoping others will see a crown where there is none on Michaels head? Proving what exactly? You once took a jab at my very grounded Protestant doctrinal beliefs, suggesting you are not Protestant and we know you are not Catholic....so what is left? Mormon perhaps?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Here's more insight we see of this unseen world and our world. The 7 Angels over the 7 Churches in the first three chapters of Revelation. Also note Rev 2:12:14 re "even where Satans throne is" showing even today there is this spiritual warfare over us. This will all come to a head when the beast ..anti_Christ comes and is defeated once and for all. Men will be judged, including all those who worshipped the beast , and those who throughout the Great Tribulation remained faithful to God.

Then the Kingdom of this world WILL be Christ's who will reign on earth for 1000 year as was foreseen in Rev 11:15. Satan will be bound, and after 1000 years loosed again for a final showdown....then the great white throne judgement.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Here's more insight we see of this unseen world and our world. The 7 Angels over the 7 Churches in the first three chapters of Revelation. Also note Rev 2:12:14 re "even where Satans throne is" showing even today there is this spiritual warfare over us. This will all come to a head when the beast ..anti_Christ comes and is defeated once and for all. Men will be judged, including all those who worshipped the beast , and those who throughout the Great Tribulation remained faithful to God.

Then the Kingdom of this world WILL be Christ's who will reign on earth for 1000 year as was foreseen in Rev 11:15. Satan will be bound, and after 1000 years loosed again for a final showdown....then the great white throne judgement.


Explain Acts 8:37
  
I see some omit, but cant find anything where it was added. Isaiah 53 is omited from some OT scriptures because some Jewish folks didn't want it in their scriptures. Yet we see it was these very scriptures in Isaiah 53 that Phillip was explaining to the Eunich in Acts 8:31-40. So this proves omitting something is not the same as adding something.

But the bottom line is....can it be supported by other scripture? YES, Romans 10:9-10 say the same thing. So, in that case, I see no issue here.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David to be more specific, I look at Luke 4:5-8 where Satan promised to give Jesus all the kingdoms here if Jesus would bow down and worship him. Jesus didn't rebuke him and say...you have no such power over any kingdoms. Jesus knew one day all would be His, as we see in Revelation 11:15, when this war in the heavenlies is fought and the Kingdoms ARE NOW, the Kingdoms of our Lord and Christ. I believe these heavenly kingdoms now are satanic powers and principalities strongholds over all nations in this world. As Christians today we too war against these powers and principalities, called spiritual warfare. We are called to OVERCOME ....re. Ephesians 1:18-23, Colossians 3:1-4 In contrast to Ephesians 2:1-6 just to name a few.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, I don't believe the Kingdoms are angels. Satan didn't promise Jesus angels. I simply believe prince means head of and over the unseen world that also includes this world until Jesus second coming.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
I believe "prince" here means having power and dominion over principalities , nations, etc, as we see Satan as " prince " and power of the air, which may mean the whole world. Remember Satan on the desert testing of Jesus promised Jesus these Kingdoms if Jesus would bow down to him. So Prince in their realm is order of power. Even fallen angels are called prince of this or that. There will be in the last days war in the heavens as well as on earth. But again no Scripture ever says any wear crowns.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
David, Daniel 10:20 use prince twice, Prince of Persia and Prince of Greece and not referring to men, but Angels of high rank as well. Daniel 10:10-21 is war between holy and unholy Angels. Ephesians also say Satan is the prince and power of the air. He didn't loose his princehood title or whatever when he fell, and No scripture says Satan / Lucifer has or ever had a crown. Wasn't he considered the highest or possibly equal to Michael?

You shouldn't read things into scripture that is not there.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Some of us don't believe Angels wear crowns simply because scripture never supports it. What we do know is, God has forbidden us to worship Angels or even bow down to them, as we see in Revelation as well. Yet we see those bow to Queen Elizabeth and Royal family.

Crowns are given to US, the OVERCOMERS as rewards. We overcome through Jesus Christ, because we are IN CHRIST. Angels are not in Christ either.

And there is no proof that Michael and Michael in Jude are two different beings. Seeing there are billions probably of Angels to begin with, any we know with names, as Lucifer, Michael or Gabriel must be pretty high up in rank. Lucifer was the highest, yet never said to be an archangel that I can find.


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
No scripture supports Angels wearing crowns or sitting on thrones. And just as the Royal family and members ONLY are given crowns etc, doesn't mean they are given to any other than family. We are sons through Jesus Christ making us family, and above the Angels who are there as ministering spirits for us.

We the BOC, the OVERCOMERS are promised crowns at our Judgement. And we see in Corinthians WE also will judge Angels .....AFTER ....so to even assume without any proof Angels are given crowns before any judgement much less at all , which no scripture supports, is FABLES AND FAIRY TALES kinda stuff people make up out of their fantasy imagination.


Is Socialism Wrong
  
What country supports 1in 5 working to support the other 4 who don't work at all? Or a country where only 20% are working to support the other 80%? Maybe that sounds ok on paper but is it realistic? I don't know any country that has 80% of the population unemployed where the working 20% support the other 80%.

But if that were really the case, could the only working 20% of the population support the Fire dept, roads, police teachers and all else everyone benefits from. Should the non working be able to even call the police, or an ambulance or fire Dept? AND what % of those who are paid government employees part of the 20%?


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
If Michael and Jesus were the same person, then there would be no need to have Jesus named Jesus...He would have been named Michael.

And yes Michael was and again will be a Warrior Angel concerning the Nation of Israel, just as Daniel shows, reiterated in Revelation.


Happy Thanksgiving To All
  
It is funny Trump knows INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, when it comes to his issues or even Kavanaugh, etc, but seems to believe those with a different color skin, are guilty period, without any proof, with out ant need of proof, simply because HE SAID SO, BECAUSE HE SAYS HIS GUT IS MORE BRILLIANT THAN HIS BRAIN. The double standard is enough to make you puke. He has no clue how his double standard will be his downfall.


Christians With Depression
  
I agree, because many things began at that time including epidurals. Also our food is changing, or maybe prenatal vitamins started putting some new ingredient in the vitamin.

Also,instant baby formula...all these started around the time Autism was on the increase. Also when plastic came on the scene. Microwave ovens, ....the list goes on and on. Children's vitamins, ....


Where Did Jesus Come From
  
Not compelling at all for those who understand, which only comes to those who are in the Spirit and not on the flesh, as the natural mind cannot understand spiritual things. All prophecy is spiritually discerned. And Jesus. Said I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE.

MICHAEL in the OT has always been shown to watch over earthly Israel. That's all that Daniel is saying, where we also see in Rev the Angels are very active in end times activities as Daniel is prophecy about end times activities. Michael even in Revelation is NEVER said to have the name or title " THE WORD OF GOD"



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