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Salvation By Our Works
  
Kathryn
If you have a denomination, can you tell me what it is? That way I wont wrongly assume.

JS created a doctrine after his very public humiliation, a doctrine which could explain why he was defeated by sin, though claiming to have victory over sin. I believe he is honestly still seeking for the truth, but he will not find it, because he seeks it by using himself as an example of righteousness, rather than Jesus Christ.

Though I feel there are a great many foolish doctrines, I do not see those who follow them as fools. I see them merely as folks on the wrong path.
I am not a cradle to grave teacher. My job is to merely to direct folks to the gate, which leads to the path, and from there, the Holy Spirit will guide them.


Salvation By Our Works
  
Kathryn, did you know Charles Spurgeon, he left the Baptist Church some years before his death? My hope is, as with you, it was because he discovered the Truth. Its interesting though, how Spurgeon renounced the doctrine and yet the Baptist church, still parades around his G-R-E-A-T name.

I absolutely believe in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. I just dont believe Jimmy Swaggart teaches it for the same reason as Paul. What does the preaching of the cross mean to you? Is it the same way Jimmy Swaggart teaches it, or do you believe it to mean something else?

BTW, I feel bad for Jimmy. He seeks the Truth, but he relies to much on himself for understanding.


Salvation By Our Works
  
If we are new creatures in Christ, I hope it will be displayed in our character.---JS1234

JS,
If you want to discuss a subject with Kathryn, a subject for which you might disagree, prepare yourself for her name calling. Its just her way, a way we have all gotten use to.

Kathryn
Jimmy Swaggart and his disciples are the only ones I have ever heard, teach the Christ Crucified doctrine. And, like you, they believe Paul brought forth the True doctrine of Salvation, a few years after Jesus ascended into Heaven, a doctrine which seemingly nullified the Gospel of Christ.


Salvation By Our Works
  
Your refusal to answer the question, only confirmed what I said. You are a follower of Jimmy Swaggart ministries.


Salvation By Our Works
  
And you seem to forget I've posted here for nearly 16 years and those who know me KNOW I don't follow Jimmy Swaggart.---kathr4453

So you rebuke Jimmy Swaggarts salvation message?


Salvation By Our Works
  
Kathryn
I just find it unbelievable, how you, who make the teachings of Jimmy Swaggart your foundation, think people who use the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as their foundation, are the ones who are in a cult.


Salvation By Our Works
  
Kathryn
By definition, I guess you are right about people who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, being in a cult. But isnt that the point of Christianity, making Jesus the leader of your cult?

CULT- a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.


Salvation By Our Works
  

Kathryn
As you can see...Both our statements are ridiculous.


Salvation By Our Works
  
David, after watching THE FAMILY on Netflix, I'm a little cautious of anyone who says they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. So do they, and they are a cult.---kathr4453

I am a little cautious of anyone who watches Netflix. Stephen Paddock, the guy who killed 59 people in Las Vegas, watched Netflix too, and he was a Killer.


Salvation By Our Works
  
Soul sleep?...again a new one one me. Never had a discussion with anyone on this. I think you, understandably, get me confused with the other David.

Kathryn, I dont promote any religion. I simply follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and would recommend you to do the same. There are a few things about your religion I agree with too. You say Jesus Christ is the Son of God, with this I agree, but that doesnt make me a follower of Jimmy Swaggart does it?


Salvation By Our Works
  
Kathryn
More lies?
I have told you on multiple occasions I am not a Mormon, and yet, you still wave your finger in that direction. Mariology....? Had to look that one up. LOL

You say you love the Lord, and yet you tell soooo....many lies. Jesus said those who love him keep his commandments. Do your lies in some way show your love for the Lord? If so, Where in the Bible does Jesus command us to lie?


Salvation By Our Works
  
But I've noticed that truth matters little to kathr.---Cluny

Cluny
This is the way of many Protestant followers. As you well know, they believe they are exempt from the morals,.... which even the Atheist keeps.

How can someone lie, when they are not under Gods Law? Sin is the transgression of Gods Law, and a lie, is the name of a transgression. As Paul taught, without Law there can be no transgression.

I live in the south...Bible Belt, moved here from California. And when I got here, I noticed I had to be on guard when I did business with a Protestants, because their doctrine allows them to lie...to cheat you.

Fortunately these establishments are usually marked with religious fish symbol.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
They are Gods witnesses, so could they be acting on their own accord? So if hate was the motivation behind their actions, it was Gods hatred.
Does God hate man...or does God hate sin in man? His hate comes from his judgment of sin, sin in sinful man.

Our hate for others comes for the very same reason. Only we judge from the position of sinful man, God judges from a position of Holy God.
We judge, because we see the sin in others, better than we can see the sin in ourselves.


Do We Have Free Will
  
Kathr, but it seems as if the only one walking in the spirit of nastiness and evil is YOU!---Monk_Brendan

I agree


Do We Have Free Will
  
Like you, kathr.
Cluny on 8/8/19


I agree


Do We Have Free Will
  
Again, so tells us why you object to Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 7:22? I do know Mormons hate Hebrews. Again, are you Mormon and is this why you object to the WHOLE word of God? Having rewritten scripture with much in your Mormon supplemental bible? ---kathr4453

If using the Gospel of Jesus as my foundation, makes me a Mormon, then I guess, Paul and I are both Mormons.


Do We Have Free Will
  
Kathryn
The bible can be molded to say whatever you want it to say, as evidenced by the many doctrines which have come from it. But how do you know who is right and who is wrong?

There was a good reason behind the gift of the Holy Spirit. Its because man can not pollute the Truth we learn from the Spirit of God, as they can the Bible. This is why we have so many have experts on the meanings of Greek words, even though most dont even speak the language.

Even if they did, Do you honestly believe the Greek language has not changed in 2,000 years, in light of how much the English language has changed in just our lifetimes? Even today, we may speak English here in America, but does it sound the same English they speak in England?


Do We Have Free Will
  
David, is your kinda LOVE, where I have to agree with you to give you a false sense of secutiry you can bask in a self induces...---kathr4453

Kathryn
Look at your posts, to those folks who disagree with you. Can you honestly say, from the Heart,....I love you?

You tend to believe Paul has a different message than the one found in the Lords Gospel. Do you not realize, Many people were saved, l-o-n-g before the Lords Gospel or Pauls epistles were published. They had to rely on Gods Holy Spirit.

What doctrine do you think the Holy Spirit taught them? Pauls Epistles or the Lords Gospel?


Do We Have Free Will
  
Kathryn
Did you know, Love is the most significant sign of one being born of God? Your hatred for people, all by itself, should tell you, you are not who you think you are.

God wants to change your heart, but your doctrine is a wall standing in the way.


Do We Have Free Will
  
I,actually find David's sarcastic comments re "dying to sin" as blasphemy against the very truths God has established. I DIE DAILY is a daily obedience as well, he simply neglects to acknowledge. Even Nicole made a moronic comment on this verse against scripture, out of ignorance.---kat453

Cluny
This is why I thanked you for the maturity of your comment. I expected this is what I would get from Kathryn.



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