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Salvation In The Church

The church should be free of racism, sexism, and classism:

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Building Of The Ark

None of us has perfect grammar, spelling, or punctuation. Sccasional mistakes do not prove one's arguments invalid.

This also applies to scripture. Hebrew scriptures have 7 DIFFERENT spellings of Nebuchadnezzer. One replaces the second N by R (I looked it up once during an argument with Eloy, who claimed it added up to 666 - ridiculous, as each spelling adds up to a different number, and none = 666).

I lost respect for Bertrand Russell after reading "Why I am Not a Christian". He, allegedly the greatest logician of the 20th century, said he didn't believe in God because Christians led imperfect lifestyles. This was like saying "I don't believe in Relativity because Einstein had messy hair".

Sparrows Sold For A Farthing

You wrote: Again Cluny, you have urine on the brain......

Regardless of what Cluny may or may not have done, is it REALLY necessary to stoop to such a level of insults?

Would you like it if other people used such language to you? If not, you shouldn't use such language to them.

(I also couldn't find any "nasty attacks", at least not in this blog, unless you consider the honest question "What studies have you made that lead you to this conclusion?" an "attack").

How To Get God's Wisdom

I wasn't saying that there was anything wrong with reving dead blogs. It's just that when one does so, it's unlikely that most of the people who had been commenting earlier are even still on the site anymore, especially the person who asked the original question starting the blog. The result will usually be more like starting a brand new conversation, rather than entering an already-going lively one, and one should be prepared for that.

Support President Trump

Google: Trump budget social security

3rd link: Senate's OWN SITE: THE TRUMP BUDGET FOR 2020 - Senate Budget Committee

cutting $1.5T Medicaid, $845B Medicare, $25B SS.
Takes Health Insurance from Tens of Millions
Medicaid mandatory work requirements would kick 1.7M people/year

Medicaid covers 1/5 Americans, nearly 1/2 births, 38% children (83% poor, 48% special needs), 45% disabled non-elderly, 62% nursing home residents, 61% non-elderly poor, 875K non-elderly veterans (nearly 1/10 aged 19-64).

Medicare: 845B over 10 years, seniors part D coverage gap for longer, hospital funding for graduate medical education and uncompensated care, reducing access to care.

Support President Trump

No, I don't. After the election, I sincerely hoped he would be a good president and abandon his childish pre-election histrionics. Unfortunately, that was naively unrealistic. I want him to succeed at things he promised - like improving the economy, giving everyone better health care, preserving Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, etc. Sadly, Trump's own actions are breaking all of these promises. How can I wish for him to succeed at something HE HIMSELF is working against?

I DO want him to FAIL at all the things he does that are criminal and un-American, and hopefully all Americans would also want him to fail at these things.

When did I ever say anything about him and Afghanistan? You projecting again?

How To Get God's Wisdom

I have noticed that you have been commenting a lot on various blogs recently. Most of these blogs were started many years ago, and have been idle for years, and many of the people who used to comment on them are no longer active on this site. When commenting on a blog that you haven't been on before, it's often a good idea to check the dates on the most recent comments, to see whether this is an active discussion, or one that has been dead for years. There's nothing wrong with commenting on an old blog, but you're less likely to see continuing discussion if you do, especially from the people you are replying to.

Support President Trump

I know what we are talking about, but again, how would my watching Rocky again change my understanding that Trump's tweeting his head on Rocky's body was tacky and inappropriate? Yes, I know Rocky was a fighter who overcame great odds to become the champion. That does not describe Trump.

Rocky started from nothing. Trump was born in privilege and money, and despite inheriting a million dollars, he lost a BILLION in the 90s (at least that's what he told the IRS).

Besides, Rocky was victorious over a Russian. Trump, on the other hand, is friendly with Russians. In 2008, his sons said most of their money comes from there.

Support False Teachers
There are some people whose teachings are so blatantly unbiblical, it doesn't take an expert to discern them, as their own words condemn them. E.g. Jesus said "Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me", while Paula White said, "Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan". It doesn't take an apostle or a rocket scientist to realize this is false teaching. One doesn't need to know anything else about what she says or does to reach the obvious conclusion.

It IS possible for Christians to follow false teachers and still be saved, but his life might be wasted as a result:

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

What Are Vain Repetitions
"Vain repetitions" are constantly repeating the same words over and over again, not as if you actually mean them, but as if they are some kind of magical formula that is intended to somehow magically cause God to perform some kind of action.

Many prayers can also fall into this category. Many people who pray prayers know the words, but when they say them, they just repeat automatically them by rote, without actually thinking about the words that they are saying.

I remember, as a child, in the Catholic church, going to confession, and getting a penance to say a bunch of prayers. What seemed to happen was just rattling off the words as quickly as possible just to get it over with. THAT is "vain repetition".

Support President Trump

I saw Rocky years ago. What would I learn by watching it again? It doesn't change the fact that Trump acted like a narcissist, from the SAME account he posts messages of state from. If Obama pasted his head on Mr. T, or Hillary pasted her head on Kim Kardashian, the right would rightly have called them unhinged. If ANY world leader pasted a picture of their head on a buff body, they would be the laughing stock of the world.

He shouldn't be sending messages to "his followers". He isn't president of "his followers". He's president of the entire United States, and should act like it.

Trump made an unannounced trip to Walter Reed Medical Center last weekend. Do some research.

Support President Trump
In the past week, he tweeted a picture of his own head on Rocky's body. Talk about ego and narcissism! Also, last week he was rushed to a hospital for an unscheduled visit, which might have been a heart attack. This week, he tried to dispel rumors about a heart attack by tweeting about how fit he is to work - a totally jumbled word salad that demonstrates what kind of disordered state of mind he is in (but then again, he does this often, so nothing has changed).

To a cheering Florida crowd, be boasted about how he defeated Obama (?). He never ran against Obama. Also, the Presidency is about running the country. It isn't about defeating and crushing previous presidents. Pharaohs did that. We do not (at least, we didn't until 3 years ago).

God Bless President Trump

You wrote: (Genesis 6:8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
If what you say, is Grace, Do you believe Noah had Christ living in him?

False logic leads to false conclusions. That is like saying Bananas are fruit. Apples are fruit. Therefore, apples are bananas.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is the only source of grace, any more than Moses is the only source of law.

The Old Testament has around 30 instances using the idiom "find grace in your eyes" or similar, meaning "find favor in your eyes".

The word "grace" here is Hebrew "chen" (Strong's H2580) that means favour, grace, charm, elegance, acceptance, kindness.

God Bless President Trump

That is right. Jesus did not come to abolish the Mosaic covenant. If you are Jewish, you are part of that covenant. However, the vast majority of Christians have no part in that covenant.

Jesus also established a totally new and different covenant - the covenant of Grace. That is the one that WE are under.

If you believe that Christians are still under the law, then please explain to me just to whom those bold-faced passages I quoted in my previous message were addressed, because they were SPECIFICALLY addressed to people who "are not under the law, but under grace".

I also didn't mention Christmas or Easter, so why are you bringing them up?

Support President Trump

Most liberals are AGAINST abortion. They are just pro-choice, leaving the decision to the mother and her doctor.

Supporting marital fidelity? Trump cheated on EACH of his wives.


During his first week in office, Trump ordered a raid on Yakla, Yemen, against the advice of ALL his military advisors, that got one Navy SEAL killed, and around 14 innocent civilians, including 9 children, including a 3-month old child and a pregnant woman (and her unborn child). I don't recall hearing any pro-lifers screaming about that.

All those innocents' blood shed, because of Trump's ego - him wanting to show how much more he knows about military things (and everything else) than all of his staff combined.

God Bless President Trump

The Law was the covenant between God and the Jews. Christians are not under that covenant. We are under the new covenant of Grace.

Romans 6:14-15
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

1 Corinthians 6:12
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

God Bless President Trump

Cluny wrote: Do you actually think the Bible makes such a distinction?

You wrote: Actually I do

Can you show any actual scriptures that distinguish different subsections of the Law, some of which have been abolished, and some of which haven't? Because I'm not aware of any.

God Bless President Trump

We have different sensibilities than people 2-4000 years ago. We express horror at murder but not cooking on the Sabbath, yet under Moses, both carried the death penalty. Most Christians would hate living under Mosaic law (and would probably end up executed).

The Bible itself makes no distinction between moral, dietary, civil, criminal, ceremonial, or other laws - are all just The Law. We read modern sensibilities into the Bible, and re-interpret its meaning, but we delude ourselves if we think that's how it was originally intended to be read.

It's convenient self-deception to think Jesus did away with some parts of the law, while requiring us to obey other parts, and then cherry-picking which parts are which.

God Bless President Trump

You would rather suppress the rights of the majority?


Tyranny is bad, no matter who does it. One problem with ANY government is if the majority want something, the minority must live with it. If five order pizza and four want pepperoni and one wants meatball, they order pepperoni, and one is unsatisfied.

The alternative (tyranny of the minority) is even WORSE. If they ordered meatball, MOST would be unsatisfied. We get this with the Electoral College (3x in Republican favor in the past 70 years), gerrymandering, or dictatorship.

Founding Fathers warned against a two party system. European democracies need to form stable coalitions to rule. We do not, so we lack Madison's safeguards.

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