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Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

I don't just spontaneously change the subject on threads. If I ever discuss something off-topic, it's as a direct and related response to something someone else said (e.g. discussing what "abomination" means, since YOU mentioned "abomination" first.) But I agree. This particular discussion is done here.


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

How DID this start? *YOU* mentioned it here totally out of the blue on 10/8/19. Nobody on this blog said anything at all with reference to that subject, so why did you bring it up all of a sudden? If you post a message for all to read, all get to reply to it.

But I didn't criticize you on that. I just addressed the point *YOU* made - then *YOU* accused *ME* of deflecting (10/9/19). Calling something "an abomination" is meaningless unless you understand just what "abomination" means, so studying that is NOT deflection. *I* am discussing the issue. *YOU* are the one who is challenging the appropriateness of me discussing an issue *YOU* yourself started.


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
Nicole_Lacey:

In Gen. 18, God heard reports about the wickedness in Sodom, and decided to see if reports were true. Sodom had ALREADY done wicked things, and God had ALREADY decided IN ADVANCE to destroy it, if those reports were verified.

In Gen. 19, angels went to Sodom, and we know what happened. But God's decision to destroy Sodom was already made BEFORE the angels even went there: 19:13: "For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord, and the Lord HATH SENT us to destroy it."

I never said God can't change his mind. Jonah proves he can. Why do you put words in my mouth?


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You're totally missing my point. My point was that God had ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom, long before he sent the angels there. Thus, the attempt to rape the angels had NOTHING to do with why he wanted to destroy the city.


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: Why are you still policing? Move on Strongaxe.

Why are you obsessing about sodomy in two blogs that have nothing to do with that subject? Create a new blog for it, and move on.

Oh, and YOU telling me what I should and shouldn't post *IS* itself policing what I'm saying, so pot, kettle, black. By the way, saying a particular side-subject is off-topic for this blog IS on-topic for any any blog.


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
Nicole_Lacey:

What make you think that? Abraham was successful.

Not really. He got God to lower the number, but that didn't stop God from destroying Sodom anyway.

Are you suggesting God planned to go back on His Word?

No. God HAD ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom. THEN, he told Abraham about that. THEN, Abraham tried to talk him out of it, but failed. THEN God sent the angels.


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

You write: No Strongaxe, why are you policing this thread? You bust in other threads and disrupt the subject matter often...once asking you not to, you just ignored and continued.

I am not "policing this thread", nor "disrupcing subject matter". When someone else makes a comment (out of context or not) that makes claims that aren't substantiated, I (and anyone else reading them) have every right to challenge those claims. YOU are the one who suddenly decided to bring up sodomy in two separate threads that have nothing to do with that subject. You have yet to explain why you have done so. If you're so obsessed about the subject, why not create a separate thread for it?


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: Yep I sure did Strongaxe and was addressing Cluny...not you. So why are you minding other peolple's business defending sodomy? That's the real question.

A better question is, why are you wasting this blog to attack it, since it has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed here? Why are you so obsessed with this one topic that you're currently hijacking two separate blogs to talk about it?


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
john9346:

You wrote: Proove it??

A simple reading of the actual story would have done that, if you had actually bothered to look, but since you didn't, let me break it down for you:

Genesis 13:13: Men of Sodom were wicked and sinners

Genesis 18:20: Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah was great, and their sin was very grievious, God decided to destroy them. Abraham tries to bargain him down, but fails. Note that this point, God had ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Genesis 19:1 The angels come to Sodom

19:4 The men surround them and demand to know them

19:24 God rained fire and brimstone on the city.

Genesis 18:20 occurred BEFORE 19:4.


Sister Or By First Name
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I am sure Justice Ginsburg isn't called 'Justice' by her husband, family or friends.

I would expect that members of the same congregation would at least consider themselves friends, especially since a family relationship (implied by titles like brother, sister, etc.) are even CLOSER than friendship.


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: you're the one deflecting bringing up scripture that is not even in the discussion.

ME Deflecting? This blog is about Greta Thunburg, yet on 10/8/19 you brought up sodomy totally out of the blue. You changed the subject, so now deal with it. Since you called it an abomination, it's fair to examine, just WHAT that word ACTUALLY means.

If ALL sin is an abomination, why does God single out certain ones as especially heinous? And why do Christians have such apoplectic fits over some abominations over others? I have yet to hear a church picketing Red Lobster or divorce court. Can you explain why that is?


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
kathr4453:

KJV "Earthquakes in divers places" suggests underwater tectonics to a non-English-speaker using only a dictionary.

Worldwide Church of God teach British Israelism (i.e. British are Lost Tribes of Israel) - Hebrew "brit" is "covenant" and "ish" is "man", hence "man of the covenant". But Hebrew GRAMMAR says "brit ish" MUST be translated "covenant of man" - something a dictionary will NOT tell you.

Attempting translation with only a dictionary tells you what words mean, not what sentences mean. "Man bites dog" vs. "dog bites man" - same words, different meaning (word order has different meaning in different languages).


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: Strongaxe, I find it interesting that many try to down play the issue by doing what Trump and Kelly Ann Conway do ....called DEFLECTING. Now you too? Surprising! Careful Strongaxe....

I note that you're not actually addressing the issues I brought up, but merely dismissing them out of hand. THAT is deflection.

I'm not downplaying anything. I'm showing what scripture ACTUALLY SAYS, without the vineer of dogma that people have been taught to believe without question.

When you want to know what God things about things, look about what he talks about the most. Those are the things he cares about most. Don't obsess about things he mentions rarely.


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: Ok Strongaxe, so you agree that Jude tells explicitly how God felt about Sodom and Gammorah long before the Angels appeared., siting not the daughters being inhospitable, but giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh .... And that it is a sin as we see in Leviticus and Romans 1, and that it is an abomination in God's eyes.

In Greek, "strange flesh" is "SARKOS HETEROS". Besides the obvious irony here, it means "the flesh of strangers" - i.e. RAPE. You just proved my point. But don't take my word for it, as I'm not a Greek scholar, and have limited understanding. However, Cluny IS a Greek scholar, and I welcome his expert opinion on this.


Sister Or By First Name
  
kathr4453:

As I mentioned earlier, there are some extremely religious groups where everybody calls each other "brother" or "sister" in second person, or "brother Fred or "sister Karen" in third person. personally, I find such formalism unnatural, uncomfortable, and excessive, but others may be fine with it.


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr445:

What exactly ARE "abominations"?

Eating a peace offering on day 3 (Lv 7:18)
Eating shellfish (Lv 11:10-12), raptors (:13), creeping fowl (:20), flying insects (:23), creeping things (:41-42)
Incest (Lv 18:6-18), a woman during her period (:19), adultery (:20), offering seed to Moloch (:21, Dt 12:13, 18:10), lying with man as with women (:22 and 20:13), bestiality (:23)
Idolatry (Dt 7:25-26, 13:14)
Sacrificing blemished animals (Dt 17:1)
Diviners, witches, etc. (Dt 18:10-11)

It's curious how Christians forgive most of these, but are obsessed with one. I've never yet heard of a bakery that refused to bake a cake for remarrying divorcees.


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
kathr4453:

You wrote: Strongaxe, being raped is inhospitable...wouldn you say?

Yes, and I Have said that exact thing, twice. It was OUTRAGEOUSLY inhospitable, and hence demanded an outrageously harsh punishment.

If the men of Gibeah had only murdered the woman, the penalty would have been one life for one. Yet this incident provoked such outrage that it sparked a war where TENS OF THOUSANDS died on EACH SIDE. This means it was considered MUCH MUCH worse than mere murder.

God had decided to destroy Sodom long before the men decided to abuse the angels. That abuse was only one symptom of their evil, but was not the cause of it.


Church Bells Ringing
  
kathr4453:

I'm not MD or psychologist, so I'm not competent to professionally diagnose anyone. Still, you don't need to be Julia Child to bake a cake. Some symptoms are so obvious, a layman can read them. I had several obviously schizophrenic friends (one was institutionalized 2-3 times, another said Jesus and angels and Greek gods spoke to him on a regular basis), several with obvious signs of BPD (some mild, some severe), and one with DID (with one suicidal alter that eventually killed him).

Many (but not all) professional psychologists who ARE experts agree Trump meets DSM criteria for NPD.

When someone dies, if another person makes the funeral all about himself instead of mourning, that's extremely disturbed.


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
kathr4453:

Nobody said rape is the consequence of being inhospitable. I said rape (or any crime) committed against YOUR own guests (i.e. strangers who rely on YOUR hospitality) is an outrageous breach of that hospitality.

Hospitality was very important to ancients. Not caring for strangers could mean their deaths. Google: Xenia.

Breach of hospitality was the worst of crimes. God nuked Sodom for it. Israel burned Gibeah to the ground, with God's blessing, with tens of thousands dead on each side. Benjamin's crime was siding WITH Gibeah in this.

Jacob's sons killed Schechem's whole village over Dinah's rape, but Jacob also criticized them, as murdering hosts who accepted you as guest was also outrageous.



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