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He Is A Devout Catholic
  
It is true that Baptist's have various differences in doctrine. There are Southern Baptists, Northern Baptist's, free will Baptist's, independent Baptist's , Primitive Baptist's, and so many more. Some are VERY Legalistic, some are Calvin, some are anti Calvin .....

Does it mean they believe the same because they all say they are Baptist's? NO. Then there's that AWEFUL Baptist Church, you all know who,I'm talking about, who boycott military funerals etc.

Being Baptist is no guarantee one is saved OR has a corner on the TRUTH. But unfortunately many hold dear that they are Baptist's BEFORE Christians. This is a sign too of cult like behavior.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
David, I've checked around other threads and see others likeminded have rebuked you. Micha for one. I just see those who believe the Gospel of Grace have actually left CN. Others still here do defend GRACE/FAITH, but for the most part, it's just an endless argument that ends in insults and fighting and smoke screens. BUT in no way does that prove YOU are right and those who oppose legalized grace are wrong. You continue to suggest you are right every time I say I'm done. Stupid me keeps biting that fake worm. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL DAVID. Ya Just can't help those suffering from delusions.

And only YOU changed the subject, to hating your mother and father etc, when things got a little hot for you. Your NOT right David.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Back to the subject.

Romans 9: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are OF FAITH ,the same are the children of Abraham.

Let's let scripture teach us TRUTH as to who the "children of Abraham" are. The Covenant God made with Abraham ALSO was 430 years before any law.

Then we have the "Children of Israel" ....a totally different group.

When I hear LEGALISTS say Children of Abraham, I think.....JW or Mormon. No one else uses that reference.....unless out of TOTAL IGNORANCE. If that is the case, they should NOT be teaching anyone scripture.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Melody, Deal with your own hypocricy first before judging others. Also,check out Galatians 1 and deal with THAT TRUTH FIRST.

David, that was not your original post, but I'm not going to argue with you. You seem to change your words often, so it's useless to continue with you.

You originally said (AFTER being taken to Paradise AFTER YOU KEPT THE LAW, ( because you kept the law,) you didn't want to leave and THAT left you suicidal. Now you claim you repented from contemplating life or death....and THAT is now why you are saved? I said before you were disconnected, changing your words often. Or just making up new words now ????

The LAW does not produce FRUIT David. Only walking in the Spirit does.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
Melody,
your offensive words towards Cluny ans StrongAxe are coming back to you and I just expected them as you always come against those whom you 'think' they don't agree with you (even thou they have the reason into doing it)!

Melody, Christian Love - your words don't show at all -- you accuse others of hypocrisy - and what about you? - since when I'm not supposed to expose THE TRUTH against those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? Would you come against THE LORD when HE admonish us to preach The Gospel of Salvation and to expose those things that are sending the souls to eternal perdition? - just remember this: HE IS THE ONLY PERFECT not any of us - as the Pharisees believed they were - blind/foolish ones!


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Melody, if have purposely refrained from answering you because you are also not well versed in scripture, your only well versed in attacking Catholics. I've also been aware you cannot defend salvation by GRACE, as you always seem to side with the law keepers. This is why I believe you are also a false teacher, hiding behind Catholic bashing to make folks think you are so spiritual. LOVE tells the truth Melody no matter how it hurts. You don't mind hurting the Catholics now do you, showing what a hypocrite you really are. You are a double minded man Melody, unstable in all your ways. Spouting off trying to sound so righteous is just more PhariseeISM. Jesus had pretty harsh words for you all. Are you also accusing Him too?


What Are Lords Commandments
  
David, the word suicidal came from you.

I find it interesting the verses you pluck out of scripture. I guess the Law of Christ now is to hate and not love? Funny but I dont see HATE as one of the fruit of the Spirit or see any of the NT Apostles expound upon hating anyone.

BUT what you see as literal, just may mean something else altogether. You would have to be spiritually minded to understand this one.

Your also not worthy David unless you give EVERYTHING you own to the poor...leaving you poor as well. What shelter do you live in? Food stamps? Welfare recipient are you? So you are a socialists too, living in communal circumstances? Remember you cant pick and choose what you want to participate in.



What Are Lords Commandments
  
kathr, have you read the part in Galatians that says that Jews are spiritually the children of the slave woman Hagar?---Cluny on 3/14/19

Paul explains this as a allegory. The children after the Flesh vs the children of PROMISE. You need to understand this allegory to understand the depth of what Paul was saying. Chapter 4 make clear that those who chose to be under the law, observing days , times , years etc, are still in bondage. May also reference Colossians 2 as comparative with that. Those are a shadow of things TO COME, most likely the 1000 year reign. That is not to the Church. We the CHURCH are ABOVE AND FREE, both Jew and Gentile making ONE NEW MAN. Christian Jews are not spiritual children of Hagar.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
It is concerning that David believes he went to Paradise and back, leaving him suicidal and empty handed. The truth is, when we are Born Again, aka born from above, we are literally raised up together with Christ, seated with Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST. THIS PLACE IS THE HIGHEST HEAVEN OF ALL. And once seated there we are always seated there....and it's no metaphor either. This place also does not leave you suicidal. It fills you with joy beyond words.

Christ Himself is my exceeding great reward. To God be the Glory for all He has done, and is able to KEEP all I've committed unto Him against that day. I've committed my whole life.

God bless David. I pray for you to find HIGHER GROUND that you don't have to leave.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
And David, there is no proof or back up to prove the Law of Christ is the New Covenant. The New Covenant replaced the old covenant. And no scripture says the Law of Christ is a Covenant anyway. The Covenanants in scripture are clearly defined as covenants. You rejected the LAW OF THE Spirit of the Life of Christ that set you free from the Law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. Also James refers to this as the Perfect Law of LIBERTY...LIBERTY meaning being set free from the power of sin.

God did not set me free to put me back under the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1. Another Book you refuse to read or obey.

David, there is NOTHING you can say that will change my belief in Galatians 2:20-21 .....so just deal with it.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
David, it seems we are going in circles comparing apples to oranges. You confuse salvation with sanctification. God does not put His laws into an UNSAVED heart. And if you are keeping these laws to earn salvation, what need is there then to put in your heart.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Romans 10: 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:).....8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach,9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11 ..13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Mike, Paul did not just end with GOD FORBID....Please finish what Paul said.
Romans 6:15-18

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

The form of doctrine that set us FREE FROM SIN is Romans 6:1-14. Why do you guys continue to misrepresent Paul, and always stop short of letting him FINISH-AKA CONCLUDE?


What Are Lords Commandments
  
The rewards are how we built upon the foundation... Wood hay stubble, or gold silver previous stone. Corinthians. Some works will burn up, others will come forth on Glory.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Many will say Lord Lord haven't we done this and that....and the Lord will say I NEVER KNEW YOU.

The Law was a schoolmaster UNTIL FAITH CAME...to bring us to Christ. And now that FAITH has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I don't doubt David that you feel you can do good deeds to earn heaven, sad as that is, but if you're not IN CHRIST, in the SPIRIT and only doing through the flesh.....you're lost kiddo! The Pharisees made the same mistake. You may also want to read Romans 10 that shows exactly how they, like yourself totally missed it.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
The DEEDS David in Romans 2 are EVIL DEEDS. Didn't you get that by the beginning of the sentence?.

No scripture says man will be given rewards according to how they kept the Law....a law that is not the Law of Moses...as David showed scripture for that. And these deeds we see in Hebrews 11....are not a common list of deeds everyone is to do. Only Noah built an Arc, and he was rewarded , Abel sacrificed from the flock ...again was rewarded.

So exactly what DEEDS have you personally been asked to do David?

Look at the Pharisee below...listing all his good deeds..yet was NOT justified, but abased....scorned.

Come on David, let's hear you brag about YOUR DEEDS. The ones you think gives you entrance to Heaven.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
As I said David, Paul didn't write in chapters and verses, he wrote in subject matter , and concluded in what we see chapter 3 the CONCLUSION of his subject, that no one is justified by the law.
You asked what law ? Where is the list of saints who kept this non Moses Law? Hebrews 11? The Law of building an arc? Did you build one? The law of sacrificing your child? Did you do that? Did you reject the riches of Egypt counting the sufferings of Christ greater riches? Funny Moses wasn't recorded as perfectly keeping the law.

You have selective hearing....sign of a cult.


What Are Lords Commandments
  
Look who Jesus JUSTIFIED

Luke 18:9-14
Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased, and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


Turn The Other Cheek
  
Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord.

We do see Paul defending himself as a Roman Citizen when falsely imprisioned. He did stand up for himself. But he didnt take the law into his own hands, he showed by Roman Law they broke the law against one of their own citizens.

So we need to use common sense here. If someone breaks the law and molests your child, even another so called Christian...CALL THE POLICE. And if some pervy priest or Protestant minister askes you not to, but to keep it in the family so to speak...DONT FALL FOR THAT.

Use your common sense. There are some things we just cant help another hide.




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