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Why Confess Your Sins
  
No Kathryn,
I am not a Mormon, I am not schizophrenic, nor any of the things you have accused me of being. Your name calling simply shows me, I have put a crack in your armor. As for Nicole, she is a kindred spirit.

(2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) For it is a righteous thing with God to recompense with tribulation those who trouble you, and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished.....

Notice this warning is not for those who dont follow Paul, its for those who dont obey the Law of Christ. The Law you have rejected.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
Now I am not applying this to David and Kathr's discussion. Because I just started reading these blogs. I just understand his last statement.---Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
I am glad you understood my comparative, and thanks for confirming it. I believe Kathryn understood it too, but Sometimes the Truth hurts. To hurt is not my objective though, for I admire folks like Kathryn and their devotion to what they see as the Truth.

They remind me of Saul, before he became Paul. And look what God had to do to change his mind!


Why Confess Your Sins
  
How dare you.You just crossed the line. good-day.---kathr4453

Many folks, when shown biblical truth, are offended when the lights are turned on. Lets look at the logic in Jude by using a comparative, to see if you believe....Grace gives you a license to sin.

Its against our laws to hunt and fish, but...if you have a license, you are not under these Laws. Its against Gods Law to steal, lie, commit adultery or murder, but because of Grace, you say you are not under Gods Law.

You can clearly see in this comparative, using (Jude 1:4) NIV.
Jude is the one you should be angry with, not me.


Baptism A Public Testimony
  
Anyone can make any scripture say what they want, however all truth has 2-3 supporting scripture to keep us honest and not take scriptures out of Context.---kathr4453

Kathryn
And this is why you blatantly, continue to misinterpret Paul. The Bible says Two or Three witnesses, not two or three verses. You establish your doctrine by only using Pauls epistles. Here are my witnesses:

(Matthew 18:16) But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

(2 Corinthians 13:1) Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.


To be taken seriously, you must do this.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
Kathryn,
Most people, as you do, take Pauls teachings of the Law out of context. Go through every verse you gave me, and you will discover they all refer to the Law of Moses, not the Law of Christ.

Paul used Abraham as his example, not because he was not under the Laws of God, as many love to teach, but because the Law he was under, is much like the Law of Christ. Why did God bless Abraham?

(Genesis 26:4-5) And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries, and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
I do not have to keep any laws.---kathr4453

You follow Paul, so this is what he would say to you.
(Romans 2:13) For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. How will you be declared righteousness, without obeying the Law? You see your fight is not with me...its with Paul.

If you dont have to keep any laws, you must have a license for immortality.
(Jude 1:4) For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
It appears I may be reading this differently than you are David.
---kathr4453


Thats because Pauls epistles are founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and you do not teach Pauls epistles on this foundation. Try reading (Romans 6:16-18) founded on (John 8:34).

(John 8:34) Jesus replied, Very truly I tell you, Everyone who sins is a slave of sin

Kathryn
If you sin, according to Jesus Christ in (John 8:34), are you a slave of sin?


Why Confess Your Sins
  
Just answer this....if you no longer sin, why are you keeping the law?---kath4453

Kathryn
After you are born again, in the manner prescribed in (1 John 3:9-10), you come under the Laws of righteousness. This is the Law I serve under.

(Romans 6:18-18) Know ye not that to whomever ye yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants ye become whom ye obey, whether of sin which leads unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness. But God be thanked that though ye were the servants of sin, now ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Obedience leads to righteousness...yes or no?


Why Confess Your Sins
  
Dear David I agree with you. But you made a small error in your wording. We are not put under law.---Samuelbb7

(Romans 2:12) For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law.

Paul said you will perish without the Law. If you perish, can you have Eternal life? When you receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit, you are put under the Law of God. Proof?

Samuel, that sin in your life, the one you try to keep, but can not keep. The only one you are punished by God, for breaking. This is the commandment Paul is referring to in (Romans 7:7-13). If you are not under the Law, why are punished when you break it?


Why Confess Your Sins
  
Kathryn
In the Bible, the Lords twelve disciples teach from the Gospel, the Gospel Christ taught to them. Paul repeatedly writes in his epistles, his teachings are founded on the Lords Gospel too.

You say your doctrine is founded on Pauls epistles. If Pauls epistles are founded on the Lords Gospel, and your doctrine is founded on Pauls epistles, why cant I find your teachings in the Lords Gospel, when I can find Pauls teachings in the Lords Gospel?

Now that is a mystery.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
David, exactly what is Pauls experience in Romans 7 you claim you experienced?---kathr4453

Kathryn
I experienced everything Paul said in the whole chapter, from beginning to end. His marriage analogy is especially telling. In it, he is telling us that in order for us to die to sin, our love for God, must be greater than our love for the world. When it is, we will die to sin.

This Love we must have for God, which causes sin to die, is accomplished through the Law. Everyone who follows the spirt of God, not the flesh, will eventually experience the mortifying of their fleshy desires.

But...if you do not put yourself under Gods Law, you will never love God enough to mortify the deeds of the flesh. (Romans 8:12-13)


Baptism A Public Testimony
  
David, I tried to give you words of encouragement, but for some reason it was blocked.---Nicole_Lacey

Thank you Nicole
I read what you wrote and It was real sweet of you. God bless you.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
How do you KNOW you've kept them enough for God to decide who to save? ---kathr4453

When you are born of God, and you have the sign given in (1 John 3:9-10).

My experience, before it happened to me, was the same as Pauls in (Romans 7). Basically, those who are born again, would rather die than sin against God. Its because they love God, and know sin does not please the one we love.


Baptism A Public Testimony
  
(John 14:23) 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Kathryn
Do you believe what Jesus says in (John 14:23),....God will love you if you keep his commandments? Can we have Grace, without the love of God? Can we call Jesus, Lord, if we do not keep his commandments?

If you really want to understand (Romans 5),you need to first understand the Lords teaching on how Grace is received, which is Pauls foundation for his Grace teachings.

We are saved by Grace...through faith. We show faith in Jesus Christ by making him Lord, and we can not make him Lord, if we dont keep his commandments.


Why Confess Your Sins
  
My prayer for David is that he will enter God's REST, and find that true and everlasting love and peace being IN CHRIST, that only comes by being crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a New Creature.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Thank you, but I doubt God reads your prayers you send him through the internet.


Is Jesus God
  
David8318
My apologies, I was ignorant of the Trinity teachings, and may still suffer from ignorance. Please feel free to correct me, when you see my ignorance on display. With that said.

(Hebrews 10:12) But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down at the right hand of God

Folks
If Jesus is God, who is sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven?


Why Confess Your Sins
  
Also David seems to think we can access the Grace of God by keeping His dummied down commandments.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Remember this...the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is on my side.
(John 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

God gave Moses 10 commandments, which were called the Law of Moses.
Jesus Christ gives us his commandments and they are called,...what,...Suggestions or Laws??

(Luke 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


Baptism A Public Testimony
  

First you sound like a Calvinist saying God decides who to save,---kath4453 (Romans 9) 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

then you post above saying one can earn or receive Grace by obeying the commandments.---kath4453
(John 14:21)

WE are saved by Jesus sacrifice on the cross---kath4453 (Ephesians 2) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.


Baptism A Public Testimony
  
Kathryn
Im glad I didnt shake your faith, and realized yesterday I could have. Im not going to argue with anyone about the Salvation message they believe in, anymore.

If someone is wrong, I no longer believe I can change their mind. I used what I learned from you yesterday. In using it, I caused a good Christian man, who loves God,...to doubt his salvation. Did he turn? No, he looked hurt and lost and argumentative. This affected me very deeply.

I decided that if a follower of Jesus Christ is on the wrong path, God is the only one who can put them on the right one. Many are called, few are saved, and its God decision who he saves, not mine.


Baptism A Public Testimony
  
Don't thank me for something I never said or said I believe. Not sure why you are obsessed with me, trying to make your point by twsting my beliefs.---kathr4453

Kathryn
You honestly helped me to understand, why most Protestants believe they are saved. For me, Its like being a doctor who seeks the cause of cancer, for he knows he can not cure it, until he knows what causes it. You showed me what causes many millions to have a false belief in Salvation, the very foundation of their house.(Matthew 7:26)

I did not twist your words, my words merely corner you, so you could see the Truth. (Hebrews 4:12) will explain why your so upset with me. I have simply shaken the foundation of your house, so now you must rebuild it. I can help!!



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