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What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  


ax" "Traditions can be good or bad."

Agreed! The Pharisees invented many "extra" burdens to be placed on the Sabbath. Jesus corrected them, in that he taught that it was OK to do good on the Sabbath, as in healing or picking corn for a quick lunch. He taught that we should keep the 10C Law - not traditions.

"Church meeting on Sunday was NT church tradition: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2."

No it was not. Check the story in Acts 20, The meeting was Sat night after sundown (when the Jewish day begins), and Paul went on a long journey Sun morning at daybreak.

In 1Cor it shows the Jewish custom of doing the finances on Sun to avoid such secular tasks on Sabbath.




Super Blood Wolf Moon
  


Steve: You got me. It is a solar eclipse. But this implied separation is just plain nuts, IMHO.





Rome And Churches Of The East
  


What makes you think that Sunday is the only day I go to church, jerry?
---Cluny on 1/14/19

What makes you think that I care which days you go to church?

I just want to know how you can call yourself Orthodox, when you don't follow the example of Jesus and the Apostles.

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his CUSTOM was, he went into the synagogue on the SABBATH day, and stood up for to read.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his MANNER was, went in unto them, and three SABBATH days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,





What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  


ax: I found your last post to be most honest, so I will answer some of your questions. First, I was gratified to hear you admit that Sunday keeping is not Biblical, but is based ONLY on tradition of men. Here is what God (and I) think of that:

Mar 7:7,9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ... Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

As for what it means to "keep" a day, the 4th Commandment states:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to KEEP it holy.

The root of the word "holy" is to set apart for clean, consecrated religious service. It is the only day of the week so consecrated by God.




Super Blood Wolf Moon
  


The super blood moon is just an astronomical phenomenon associated with a lunar eclipse and the refractive properties of the earth's atmosphere - nothing more.

The scriptural reference below associates the sun's darkness with the blood moon.

Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Such an event happened in New England in 1780. Look up the "Dark Day".




What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  

Nicole: Now I ask you to listen with an open mind. Your 8th day theory doesn't hold water. It does not last forever or you would never go to work. Time is still relevant to us on earth, as eternity has not yet started. That begins in the Millennium when Jesus returns.

The Bible does not say which day Jesus went to heaven. Your insistence that this event occurred on Sunday belies your emphatic quote that He went on Friday, and His assurance to Mary that He had "not yet" ascended.

I submit the same challenge to you as to Cluny:

Please give BCV where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.




Is 666 The Mark Of The Beast
  


Steve: No, 666 is the number of a man. A beast is a power in Scripture. So look for a religious or political power with a single man at its head. The MARK of the beast is the sign or symbol of his authority, just as the Sabbath Day is the sign of the Creator's authority.



Monk: Be nice.





What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  


Cluny: "Jerry, nice try, but these verses do NOT say that baptism is a commemoration of the Resurrection."

What? Were you unable to see the incontrovertible link between baptism and the crucifixion/resurrection of Christ? I apparently gave you too much credit.

Now it's your turn. Please give chapter and verse where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday) in its place. If you can't find it, just say so.

Christ kept the seventh-day Sabbath!





What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  


Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Now, would someone please show me where the Bible supplants the seventh day Sabbath and institutes the first day of the week (Sunday)? BTW, sun worship is mentioned in the Bible.


Nicole: The week has no 8th day - Sunday is called the first day of the week, not the 8th.




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Nicole: // I was quoting Catholic sources.

How do I know that?//

James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, p.111

Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 25,1900.

If these aren't authentic enough for you, I've got lots more.

I thought you knew that Saturday was the seventh day Sabbath of the Commandments spoken by God. Just check any dictionary or encyclopedia. Please show from Scripture where Sunday is to be kept in honor of the resurrection.



Cluny: There is nothing orthodox about Sunday keeping. Jesus and the Apostles kept Sabbath exclusively. What raving lunatic told you differently?




Fallen Humans Incarnation
  


ax: "If you fear illegals just because more are in prison, shouldn't you also fear blacks for the same reason? Maybe both are because non-whites are more likely to get the short end of the justice system?"

Or, maybe they commit more crimes. Have you ever looked up the word "illegal"?




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Cluny:

"Why is it that ancient churches of the East that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes, not only worshiped on Sunday, but had episcopal polity (bishops, presbyters, and deacons), and the sacraments?"

I have a better question for you. Why is it that ancient churches of the East that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes, kept all the false doctrines of Catholicism, but not the ORTHODOX teachings of Jesus and the Apostles?




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Nicole: I was quoting Catholic sources. Are you arguing against your own church?



Cluny: And your point is ...?





Fallen Humans Incarnation
  


Nicole: Isn't it strange that a foreigner like the axster is so concerned with our voter laws? Cheating is the ONLY way Democrats can win. I don't hear them objecting to showing photo ID to ride an airplane.

As for the subject of this blog, I find Cluny's premise to be ridiculous.




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Nicole: "Why else would we do so?"

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify." - James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, p.111

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles ... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." - Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 25,1900.




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Cluny: "Jerry, you are a hypocrite.

You admit that the SDA picks and chooses which of the Biblical sabbaths it keeps."

No Cluny, it is YOU who are the hypocrite. I have told you that we SDA's keep the ONLY day commanded by God in the Ten Commandments - the seventh-day Sabbath.

You, on the other hand, are unable to explain how your adherence to a counterfeit sabbath (Sunday) comports with the definition of Orthodox - a title you claim as your own. If you were truthful, you would admit that the SDA position on this subject is the orthodox one and yours is not.




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Cluny: I don't know why you guys keep Sunday. Care to explain?

What I mean about "keep Sabbath holy" is exactly this:

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?




Is Jesus God
  


Because He is God.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.




Is The First Day Holy
  


Cluny: I don't know why you guys keep Sunday. Care to explain?

What I mean about "keep Sabbath holy" is exactly this:

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?




Is The First Day Holy
  


Monk: Thanks for being open-minded enough to read an historical treatise on the subject. Most here aren't that interested in doctrinal accuracy.


Cluny: Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?





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