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What Is A Doctrine
  

Nicole:

I asked you a follow up question because you said that it is ok to pray to Mary and Ann because they are in heaven.

The prayers to Ann and Mary are posted here for everyone to see...

You still haven't answer my question if I have direct access to Jesus why do I need Ann and Mary??

when Christians ask each other to pray for them, they are not the object Jesus is and we do not attribute God Qualities to them...

No Christian ask another Christian in prayer to, "Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death."


What Is A Doctrine
  
strongaxe ask, "
Just what "God Attribute" is Mary "said" to have, and who says it, and where?"

Sir, reread my question to you the quotation is posted...


What Is A Doctrine
  
Nicole:

question,

why do we need someone else to do for us when we have direct acces to the Lord Jesus Christ himself 1 Tim 2:5, Jn 16:23, Jn 14:14? Why isn't this enough??

Those in prison don't have direct access to Trump, but if they had his direct celphone why would they need John Kelly or others???


What Is A Doctrine
  

Strongaxe and nicole:

If in fact you both are not saying that people don't become gods when they die then explain why Mary has a God Attribute

"In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul."

Would either of you pray this to me if I died tomorrow if not explain??


What Is A Doctrine
  

strongaxe and nicole:

If the following is not worship and Ann isn't a god then how can she do the following:

"Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death."

Can we all agree that a mere human can't do this?


What Is A Doctrine
  
nicole said, "If you are asking for me to insert my name instead of St. Ann or the Virgin Mary's Name in the prayers for others to request favors from me it isn't possible.
BECAUSE I am NOT in Heaven with Heaven."

So when someone dies do they becomes gods?


What Is A Doctrine
  

nicole said, "
For the life of me I can not understand how you all think it is better to ask your Pastors for prayer, but tell me I can't do the same to people in Heaven."

But we don't call nor ask of our pastors the following that only God alone can do:

"Thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery."

"In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul."


What Is A Doctrine
  
We don't ask our pastors to do this for us:


Obtain for me, from God, the power to imitate those virtues with which you are so plentifully endowed. Help me to know and regret my sins bitterly. Obtain for me the grace of active love for Jesus and Mary, and resolution to fulfill the duties of my state of life with faithfulness.
Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death.


How God Saves People
  
Steveng:

"(Matthew 3)."

Steveng, this is Jesus as a man not as God.

(Matthew 27:46-47)

Again, this is Jesus speaking as a man.

Jn 1410 is again Human Nature.

Your confusing Divine Nature and Human Nature.

Only God alone my friend can atone for sin on the cross, forgive sins, walk on water, control nature a mere man cant...
Please read Phil 2:6-11 while we discussing this...


How God Saves People
  

steveng ask, "john9346 wrote: "Steveng, this was Jesus speaking as a man not God at this moment."

So, are you saying Jesus is God sometimes and man sometimes?"

No, the Lord Jesus had 1 will and 2 natures (Divine and human) example Jesus got tired, hungry other times he walked on the water, controled nature, and forgave sin.

Do you see, the 2 natures in harmonizing in different functions?


How God Saves People
  
Nicole:

Jesus in Jn 3:5 isn't referring to Baptism (water).

He is speaking of Water in its reference how the Spirit of God saves sinners see vs8

vs5 The Holy Spirit is a person,however, vs 7 and 8 again identifies how the Spirit works (*=(like wind)

Mk 16:16 isn't in Scripture it was a later added version...


What Is A Doctrine
  
Nicole:

Like I asked strongaxe insert your name in the prayer to Ann and Mary and tell us all is the request something you can do or is it God alone??

I asked strongaxe this question and he couldn't answer??

BTw, strongaxe is not a wise source or reference he's extremely inconsistent...


How God Saves People
  
steveng said, "How do you explain when Jesus explicitly said to Mary, "my Father, your Father, my God, your God?"

Steveng, this was Jesus speaking as a man not God at this moment.


How God Saves People
  

nicole said, "Salvation is not a one time event. It is a continual process. Born again it is a gateway of Salvation that you grow by the God's Graces."

False, Jn 5:24 10:26-29 the Lord Jesus says salvation is 1 time, sanctification is progressive not salvation.

Jn 3:16 is to be interpreted in the context of Jn 3:5

Water in Jn 3:5 is figurative not litteral (baptism doesn't save a person)


How God Saves People
  
david said, "A Doctrine does not bring folks their salvation,"

David, Paul inspired of the Holy Spirit disagrees with you

Hear the Word of the Lord "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine, continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
1 Tim 4:16


What Is A Doctrine
  

O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee.


What Is A Doctrine
  

Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul.


What Is A Doctrine
  

Nicole said, "Many people claim Catholics worship statues as idols. Even though we state in the CCC that offense if a GRAVE sin again the 1st Commandment? (2nd to them)."

Ms. Lacy, the CC isn't above Scripture, bowing down in front of a statute with a lit candle and incense burning asking that statue to do something for you is emphatically worship my friend see, Exo 20:1-5...


What Is A Doctrine
  



Receive me, good St. Anne, into the number of your true clients, for so I profess myself and wish to remain throughout my entire life.
Obtain for me, from God, the power to imitate those virtues with which you are so plentifully endowed. Help me to know and regret my sins bitterly. Obtain for me the grace of active love for Jesus and Mary, and resolution to fulfill the duties of my state of life with faithfulness.
Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death.
Amen.

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How God Saves People
  
nicole said, "
It seems people don't believe God can save people unless He does it their way."

If it is not the way of Scripture then it is not the way at all.
God





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