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Finish It Here June 2019
  
js1234 said, "
Jesus did not come to save us from hell. He came to save us from our sins."

Is that true???
And what does sin lead to what is the result of one not repenting of sin ever read Jn 3:36? Lk 16:19-31? 2 Thes 1:8-9? Rev 20:11-15 and Rom 6:23?


Finish It Here June 2019
  

Js1234 said, "
If God is so filled with wrath, how is it that Jesus asked his Father to forgive the people who crucified him, even though they had not even asked for forgiveness?"

Good question:

1. Because those who were crucifying him didn't realize Christ was satisfying the Wrath ofGod in their place.

See, 1 Cor 2:8

2. God's Wrath is on all those who will not repent see, Jn 3:36, and 2 Thes 1:8- Rev 21:8-9.9


Finish It Here June 2019
  
strongaxe:

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against God.

Have you ever told a lie??? looked with lust on a woman??? stolen??? been disobedient to your parents??? have you always loved God perfectly???

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against you a sinner...

Plead with God to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath on you.


John


Finish It Here June 2019
  
strongaxe:

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against God.

Have you ever told a lie??? looked with lust on a woman??? stolen??? been disobedient to your parents??? have you always loved God perfectly???

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against you a sinner...

Plead with God to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath...



John


Finish It Here June 2019
  
Cluny,

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, just, and pure.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against God.

Have you ever told a lie??? looked with lust on a woman??? stolen??? been disobedient to your parents??? have you always loved God perfectly???

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ who is God took on Human Flesh is the only one who lived a perfect and sinless life and is the only way to be reconciled to God...

The bible commands you to repent/turn from your sin today my friend and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath of Eternal Hell against you a sinner...

Plead with God to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath...


John


Finish It Here June 2019
  
js1234 said, "I am just curious, where does the Bible say Jesus wrote any of it? I can't seem to find any reference to that in my Bible."

Sir, have you read the gospel that state, "Jesus said, Jesus said, Jesus said?


Finish It Here June 2019
  

strongaxe said, "You still haven't told me how YOU can know John is scripture and Laodiceans is not."

Sir, Read the postings i've posted here for you they have your answer if your willing to abandon the world view you hold, but your worlrd view has a deep sway over you...

In your own writings on the postings you demonstrated to all that you don't know what is Sola Scriptura. Remember, you thought canon was the Nature of Scripture and the Nature of Scripture was canon. Its illogical to attack what you have no knowledge of???


Finish It Here June 2019
  

cluny said, "john, do you think that the original ms of each book came with an annotation saying, "This belongs in the Bible" or words to that effect?"

Again, What did Justin Clement, polycarp Ignatius, etc. say about it then you'll have your answer.

Cluny, have you actually read the fathers you claim to represent in faith???

So, the readers will know I posted postings from prior discussions where both strongaxe and cluny were clearly repudiated on these same old tired and worn out arguemtns with no basis are support :-)


Finish It Here June 2019
  
strongaxe:

If you say as you do that Jesus didn't write Scripture and the apostles cant be trusted then you are indeed rejecting Biblical Sufficiency...


Finish It Here June 2019
  
strongaxe:

"
There is no record of Jesus writing ANYTHING except doodles in the sand near the woman taken in adultery."

Tell me, where did you learn that Jesus did this who told you?

"In ALL of these, the decision of WHICH books are scripture comes from decision making processes OUTSIDE OF SCRIPTURE."

Proove it cite source or church father?


Finish It Here June 2019
  
"So, please tell me, what criteria YOU use that do not rely on ANY extra-scriptural sources."

Read the postings i've posted here for you they have your answer if your willing to abandon the world view you hold, but your worlrd view has a deep sway over you...


Finish It Here June 2019
  

cluny said, "john, you don't actually think that the Savior Himself put pen to parchment to write down Scripture, do you?"
See, postings already posted on this thread that have repuediated you....

What did Justin Clement, polycarp Ignatius, etc. say about it then you'll have your answer.

Cluny, have you actually read the fathers you claim to represent in faith???


Finish It Here June 2019
  
reuben:

Irenaeus could write this because those who would reject are rejecting the tradition that for Irenaeus was Scripture.


Reuben:

What did Cyril tell you to do about his teachings?

Listen to him:
"" Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures."


Finish It Here June 2019
  

strongaxe:

"The belief that scripture is uninspired? (Irrelevant, as I never said I believed it wasn't)."

Sir, are you denying you never said that Jesus didn't write Scripture and we cant trust the authors yes or no?

"The belief that the authority of scripture is derived from something that is, necessarily, outside of scripture."

Sir, you've never proove this and you never could state a singgle (just 1) church father who promoted this heresy, (its illogical to make statements with no proof) You once said that you're a scientist if so sir all i'm asking respectfully (use logic)

You've had a long time to give evidence and you haven't because you know you cant so why keep repeating???


Finish It Here June 2019
  

strongaxe said, "The belief that, since scripture itself depends on human authority OUTSIDE scripture, one cannot say our doctrines are based ENTIRELY on scripture, as the very canon of scripture is a doctrine that is not in scripture."

Listed below is a posting where you were corrected you actually thought the Nature of Scripture was canon and canonicity was the Nature of Scripture and yet you persist on arguing confusing Categorical Classification...

See posting, "Is Sola Scriptura a Theory listed here."

You keep persisting because of your World View that will not even allow you to recognize distinctins and differences...


Finish It Here June 2019
  

strongaxe:

First and above all sir I love you and care everything for your soul and pray for you regularly that you will become a Christian please neverforget that...

Next, you have taught me sir what you believe I actually listen more to you than you listen to yourself see postings about your beliefs.

Finally, if right here right now will you withdraw your beliefs since you don't like me repeating back to you your own beliefs conveyed in your world view yes or no?


Finish It Here June 2019
  

cluny said, "The Bible says the CHURCH of the living God is the pillar and ground of truth."

False here is the Word of the Lord, "but [k]in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how [l]one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth."

The church is the pillar and supporter of the truth not the truth.

Btw, show us all where Clement, Justin, Polycarp, and Ignatius say as you've stated?


Finish It Here June 2019
  

Cluny said, "Keep in mind that the NT was still being codified--and possibly even still being written==at the time of St. Ignatius and others john mentioned."

Proove this from their writings with chapter and paragraph?

Strongaxe:

According to your World view the bible is just another book of literature not written by Jesus and cant trust any of the authors so why are you asking me a question that your World View will not allow you to accept sir think about it ok???
---john9346 on 6/29/19


Finish It Here June 2019
  
js1234 said, "John9346, I had no idea that the early church fathers taught sola scriptura."

Church Father Cyril of Jerusalem said, "" Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures."



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