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What Is A Doctrine
  


Nicole:

New Covenant vs. 2 laws:

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Again, no mention of a new law in the new covenant - just a new location.

I know that your Church embraces the Ten Commandments (albeit numbering them differently). Why then do you seem to be warring against them like an Evangelical?




Authority Of The Government
  


ax: Sip, sip, sip!

Communism is the place where the God-given rights of parents is stripped away by the government in order to FORCE compliance with the brutal acts of an evil system bent on the enFORCEment of its misguided Utopian pipe dream.

Forcing a child to be injected with poisons (against his parent's wishes) just because YOU think it is in his best interest is cruel, evil and not at all compatible with Christian ethics.





What Is A Doctrine
  


My Bible says that the Law was NOT changed in the New Covenant, but rather the location of the Law was changed - the Heart rather than on Stone.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.




Authority Of The Government
  


ax: Keep drinking the communist Kool Aid.





Denominational Church Missing
  


Nicole: My beef is not with you, but with Cluny. He stated that there was no sun worship prior to the time of Christ, and I proved him wrong - again.

Other than SDA's and a few other denominations, you Catholics are the only ones honest enough to admit why you keep Sunday holy.

He also claims to be orthodox, while not adhering to the original doctrines of Christ and the Apostles.




Denominational Church Missing
  


cluny: "mike. as I've already pointed out, Protestants invent [sic] sunrise services. The pre-reformation churches have no such custom."


As I've already pointed out, pagan sunrise services existed in Old Testament times.

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east, and they WORSHIPPED the SUN toward the EAST.

What other Commandments do you Sabbath-haters deny?




Western Eastern Religions
  


ax: You continue to defend Muslims as a perfectly acceptable religious denomination, with only a few "radicalized" bad actors. You could not be more wrong. 100% of Muslims base their religion, as well as their day-to-day lives on the writings of the vile Muhammad. The Koran urges the murder, rape and pillaging of ALL infidels who will not convert to Islam or accept slavery. You and I are among those infidels. Why would you defend such barbarism against US?





Is 666 The Mark Of The Beast
  


cluny: ""Reverend" is an adjective from the Latin. It is not a noun, much less a personal name of God."

Gee, what a scholar! The adjective in question assigns a quality of divinity to the preacher or pope. I think this is blasphemous. Per Webster:

Definition of blasphemy
1a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
accused of blasphemy
1b : the act of claiming the attributes of a deity
for a mere man to suggest that he was divine could only be viewed as blasphemy
John Bright 1889
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable




Western Eastern Religions
  


ax: "When people ACTUALLY prove me wrong, I acknowledge it (read my old posts)."

Where's the acknowledgement for these?

"Also, your (church) interpolation is your personal religious prejudice, not in scripture."

Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.


"The same with your second example of blasphemy."

Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Will you ever admit your mistakes?

And yes, you are a Canadian leftist, and a defender of anti-American Muslim barbarism.



Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.


Is 666 The Mark Of The Beast
  

Nicole: You had said somewhere (I haven't had time lately to get to CN) that Protestants calling their pastors "Reverend" is wrong.
I agree! I don't think that anyone - Catholic or Protestant - should assign divinity to any mortal person. Such assignment is, I believe, blasphemy.
I personally don't think that I need a mediator between myself and Jesus Christ, as the Bible says:

Heb 4:14,16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. ... Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, ...

1Ti 2:5 For there is ONE God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,



What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  


You guys are way off track here. Will someone please show me the Scripture where the Bible commands the replacement of the one holy day, Sabbath, with Sunday. I can't find it.




Western Eastern Religions
  


ax: Stop your SLANDER! You are CONSTANTLY making up totally fabricated lies about people, and then condemning them on the basis of those lies. Stop. Just STOP!

When will you ever start answering the questions that are asked of you? You say that someone is lying, and when they prove you wrong, you never acknowledge your error. Are all leftists so disingenuous? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.





Rome And Churches Of The East
  


cluny: "The RCC saying so doesn't make it so, jerry."

Neither does YOUR saying it isn't so disprove it.

"Can YOU explain this, jerry?"

Sure, sun worship is quite old, even sunrise services.

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east, and they WORSHIPPED THE SUN toward the east.

Now will you answer my question, cluny?


Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.




Western Eastern Religions
  


Nicole: Remember that the axster is a leftist Canadian, so he's not likely to know or care about Americans being murdered by Muslims.

The problem with Islam is not a few radicalized, mentally disturbed bad apples. No. The problem with Muslims is their defective religion. The Koran is the result of one man - a murderous, rapist, thieving pedophile named Mohammad. It teaches that the evil of theft, rape murder, etc. in the name of allah is rewarded with more of the same in the hereafter. It is the most barbaric of all religions, and a real threat to civilized peoples everywhere.

Allah and Jehovah are not the same.





Rome And Churches Of The East
  


cluny: "In other words, Jerry, you can't answer my question, so you deflect, as is your wont."

You're such a child! I've already answered yours, but as a courtesy, I'll do it again. Then maybe you can garner enough courage to answer mine.

I believe that the Catholic Church made the change official - according to their own documents.

Now it's finally your turn.

How do you rationalize the definition of orthodox with your insistence of keeping a different Sabbath day than that of Jesus and the Apostles?


Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.





Is 666 The Mark Of The Beast
  


ax: "Nowhere does the Bible refer to Jesus Christ as "the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day"."

You are becoming tedious. When you begin to acknowledge the proofs I've already given you on your past errors, I'll prove this one for you also.


Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.


Is 666 The Mark Of The Beast
  


cluny: You are such an apologist for the Catholic Church.



Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.




Rome And Churches Of The East
  


Cluny: "Let me ask you a question, Jerry, to see if we understand each other."

Tap, tap, tap ... The question was about YOU who calls yourself Orthodox - not about me. I just want to know how you can call yourself Orthodox, when you don't follow the example of Jesus and the Apostles regarding the keeping of the Sabbath day.

You go first. Why don't you answer this one simple question? Then I'll answer yours. I've only been asking for months.

Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath Day.





What Is Sunday A Holy Day
  


Nicole: "Are you suggesting that the Passover meal is the same as any meal?"

Sorry Nicole, but my Bible says (Acts 20:6) that the Passover was over by 12 days when the meal in question occurred. Besides, the Passover service did not involve an all-night lecture followed by a dawn journey.


Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.





Is 666 The Mark Of The Beast
  


ax: "Also, your (church) interpolation is your personal religious prejudice, not in scripture."

Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.


"The same with your second example of blasphemy."

Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Will you ever admit your mistakes?



Glory to Jesus Christ the Author and Keeper of the Sabbath day.






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