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How God Saves People
  
Steveng:

I agree that we can create plagues galore. I was just saying that assault helicopters, such as the ones that were used in Vietnam, aren't the locusts of Revelation, because they behaved differently. It's possible that in the future, something similar may fit that description, but not yet.


Western Eastern Religions
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: Of course, the brain part rules out most Democrats.

That very comment disqualifies you from any sort of intelligent discourse, since it aptly displays that you're not interested in facts (even insects require brains to survive), but only in hurling insults at those you don't like, as if insults somehow validate your point. It doesn't.

Muslims tearing our civilization apart? Remember the most recent shooting in New Zealand, where Muslim terrorists shot up a bunch of Christians? No. It was the other way around - a terrorist who cited Donald Trump as one of his influences butchered 50 Muslims.

Mueller's report came down today, so we'll finally see which party is the party of collusion.


Explain Hebrews 10:24-25
  
Melody:

On "He Is A Devout Catholic", You wrote: What GOD'S WORD has to say about what has been going on here for a long time and by those that even thou they have heard The Gospel - they keep rejecting it for their own false doctrines that contradict and blaspheme GOD'S WORD and it's foolish to keep on sharing with them -leave them alone!

That sounds a lot like judgment (as opposed to exhortation) to me.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
john9346:

You wrote: I address your objection on other postings are you willing to look them up yes or no?

Sure. Just tell me which blog, and approximately what date.

must be able to sho is that God Qualities aren't attributed to Mary and saints.

No, that's not how it works. When you make an accusation, it's up to YOU to prove it's true, not other people's job to prove it's false. You have yet to show ANY official Catholic or Orthodox writings that attribute "God Qualities" to Mary and saints.


Explain Hebrews 10:24-25
  
Melody2day:

Who are "true Christians" and how can YOU tell the difference?

Which words "are rebuked", and by whom? Which "false words" do I speak? Be specific. I quote Jesus saying "Judge not", and you are offended by that?

I am not "against the sharing of THE TRUE GOSPEL OF SALVATION"? Please show EXACTLY where you say I have. I am against people who take their own words and claim God is speaking them.

You constantly accuse others of disrespecting the gospel or speaking against it, yet whenever asked to justify this by specifying EXACTLY what they say to do so, and WHAT part of the Gospel they contradict, instead of providing evidence, you just make more accusations.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
Melody:

You keep accusing people of challenging God's Word, yet you don't show which part of God's Word they are challenging, and how they are challenging it.


Steveng:

I didn't say it's not wrong to add to the Word of God, only that Revelation 22:18-19 applies only to Revelation.

Cluny is right: after the Torah, Deutronomy 4:2 would forbid any additional books. Every scripture you quoted is in a different book that didn't exist when the previous quote was written - so each was an addition to the Word of God, yet are all fine. Clearly all of these mean something different than what you think they mean.


Explain Hebrews 10:24-25
  
Melody:

Yes, Hebrews 10:25:
Note "exhorting one another" not "accusing and condemning one another". No mention about "errors of spiritual growth" - that is you reading your own agenda between the lines.

Jesus said, "If you love ME, keep my Commandments". Like Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6:37): "Judge not, that ye be not judged...". Please stop constantly judging and condemning people here! Please clean your own house first (Matthew 7:3-5).

From all your posts, it sounds like you are on some kind of Holy Quest, like an Inquisitor of old, whose self-appointed job is to root out heresy anywhere and everywhere by any means necessary. Emphasis on "self-appointed".


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
Melody:

I don't understand how many call themselves Christians, yet spend so much time self-righteously accusing and condemning others for everything. See who the Bible says "The Accuser" is.

Revelation 22:18 talks about "the words of the prophecies of this book" - which was Revelation itself, not what we now call "The Bible". At that time, each "book" was a single papyrus scroll, and each scroll was separate. Synagogues had and churches libraries containing dozens of scrolls, one of each book. Binding many books together under a single cover, i.e. into a codex, like what we use today, didn't come until several centuries later.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
john9346:

Are you praying that, or are you quoting official Catholic doctrine? If so, can you cite the reference? Show actual facts.


Steveng:

Almost everything you ever do on these blogs is accuse others of apostasy, and "attack with vitrolic comments". Your own "holier than thou" accusatory attitude aptly demonstrates where your allegiances are, and who your lord is. You claim to be Christian but fail to follow the simple principal teachings of Jesus (love, tolerance and forgiveness). Instead, you choose passages from the bible that are convenient for your personal ideology, and ignore others - while at the same time condemning everyone else whose emphasis is even slightly different.


How To Speak In Tongues
  
john9346:

You wrote: But you don't even believe in Scripture

Stop LYING! I NEVER said that! I said I don't believe in Sola Scriptura, NOT I don't believe in Scripture.

you even think the bible is no different then the Koran or the Book of Mormon

Stop LYING! I NEVER said that! I just asked, in an reductio ad absurdum argument, what criteria *****YOU****** use to determine that the Bible IS scripture, but the Qur'an and the Book of Mormon are NOT, or that John is scripture and Laodiceans are NOT. You have yet to answer these questions.


How God Saves People
  
Steveng:

Revelation 9 describes locusts with golden crowns, faces like men, hair of women, teeth of lions, breastplates of iron, wings with sounds of chariots, and tails like scorpions with stings.

Anyone who has ever seen the film Apocalypse Now, or any similar war film, would immediately see the similarity with assault helicopters and their missile trails.

However, these locusts had power to torture men five months, and they didn't harm plants, so this couldn't be talking about Vietnam (i.e. helicopters spread Agent Orange as a defoliant, and their missiles killed). Still, the similarity gives as a hint as to what they MIGHT look like.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
Cluny:

1. We are saved by grace, through faith, not by baptism. Jesus commanded us to be baptized. He commanded his apostles to sell their swords and buy cloaks. He also later commanded them to sell their cloaks and buy a sword. None of these things are REQUIRED for salvation. The thief on the cross wasn't baptized, yet he was saved anyway.

2. In the N.T., bishops were congregational, so the N.T. shows hierarchical congregational polity. Don't Baptists have deacons, etc. as well?


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
john9346:

Just what "God Qualities" do either the Catholic or Orthodox churches attribute to icons? I invite you to provide any references to official church teachings that do so.

Also, I never said "God Qualities". I said "reverence". There is a big difference. Most people revere their mothers too, but most don't think their mothers are God.


How To Speak In Tongues
  
john9346:

You wrote: Speaking in tongues ceased with the death of the last apostles for it was a sign of confirmation.

It is curious that you say this, because you are such a big advocate of Sola Scriptura, yet there is nothing in scripture that says this. It says "tongues will cease", but never says WHEN.

Also, this blog has been inactive for 6 months, so I doubt that anyone who was discussing this topic is still paying attention (although it's not as bad as resurrecting blogs that have been dormant for 6 years).


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
Melody:

Cluny has mentioning "praying to cloth" here for years in a reductio ad absurdum response to criticism of "praying to statues". You are new here, so you may not be aware of this.

I'm not defending Cluny - he can defend himself. I'm just agree with his calling out the hypocrisy of those who pledge allegiance to the flag who condemn those who show reverence to icons, because both are doing exactly the same thing.

As for your assertion that he is under "serious spiritual error", again, look to your own beam before criticizing the speck in someone else's. You arrogantly assume Baptists are Christians and Catholics are not. Some Catholics believe the reverse, and both are wrong.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
Melody:

I think that Cluny's descripion of "saying prayers to pieces of cloth" refers to saying the Oath of Allegiance to the Flag, which is, literally, if you think about it, a prayer to faithfulness to a piece of cloth. It isn't a supernatural prayer, but it is a prayer, nonetheless.

How is paying reverence to a flag (that you know isn't God) any different than paying reverence to a statue of a saint (that you know isn't God either)?


Turn The Other Cheek
  
Far from being weak, this shows shrewdness. The Art of War by Sun Tzu is considered one of the greatest treatises on warfare, even thousands of years after it was written. One thing it teaches it never fight your opponent at a place of his choosing, because he picks a place where he is strong and you are weak. Instead, YOU choose the battleground.

If someone punches you, he chooses physical combat. If you punch him back, you accept his choice of weapons (and will probably lose). If you refuse to hit back, you reject his choice and choose your own (spirituality and intellect), and if he fights you there, HE will lose.


Prayer For Healing
  
john9346:

I ask for the SEVENTH TIME:

You claim to believe in "Sola Scriptura" - i.e. everything we need to know about our faith we can determine from scripture alone, yet this requires that we actually know what IS scripture, and what is NOT. So, for the SEVENTH TIME, I ask: how do YOU know which scriptural books YOU can safely base your doctrines on? I would figure that this would be an extremely vital thing for you to know.


Melody:

You talk about "Those here that constantly contradict THE TRUE WORD OF GOD". Instead of just making veiled insinuations, why don't you point out EXACTLY who those people are, and EXACTLY which parts of the Word of God they contradict, and when, and how?


Prayer For Healing
  
john9346:

I can't say, exactly, I am not claiming there is some kind of "obvious" separation between what actually is divinely-inspired scripture, and what is not. You, however, because you insist on Sola Scriptura - i.e. that scripture is NECESSARILY the only thing sufficient to determine our faith, it is vital to know exactly what writings are, and are not, scripture - otherwise, how can you base your faith on them?

I have asked you at least six times now what criteria YOU use to tell the difference, but I have yet to hear an adequate answer. You keep mentioning "church fathers", but their beliefs are just "tradition", which you say you reject. State those "logical fact" you refer to.



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