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He Is A Devout Catholic
  

strongaxe:


I address your objection on other postings are you willing to look them up yes or no?


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
monk brendan said, "John, the various devotionals that you are quoting from are NOT OFFICIAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINE! To get to those, you must first READ and COMPREHEND the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Then, you must quote from that document."

strongaxe:

Tell me, If I provide you the postings where i've already address your unfounded objections will you read them??
Monk Brendan the devotions flow from the catechism and Rc Statements of Faith...,

How could you not know this as a monk???


He Is A Devout Catholic
  

Hello Readers:

If Strongaxe is going to defend the notion that rc and EO don't worship icons then be must be able to sho is that God Qualities aren't attributed to Mary and saints. If you can show this using actual facts then the argument against icons is over
I haven'tbeen here in days and Strongaxe haven't shown anything...


He Is A Devout Catholic
  

Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul.

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He Is A Devout Catholic
  

Receive me, good St. Anne, into the number of your true clients, for so I profess myself and wish to remain throughout my entire life.
Obtain for me, from God, the power to imitate those virtues with which you are so plentifully endowed. Help me to know and regret my sins bitterly. Obtain for me the grace of active love for Jesus and Mary, and resolution to fulfill the duties of my state of life with faithfulness.
Save me from every danger that confronts me in life, and help me at the hour of my death.
Amen.



How To Speak In Tongues
  

strongaxe said, "It is curious that you say this, because you are such a big advocate of Sola Scriptura, yet there is nothing in scripture that says this."

But you don't even believe in Scripture you even think the bible is no different then the Koran or the Book of Mormon so stop trying to still my World viewwith the intent to try and use it against me.

Argue from your own World View sir can you do that???


Are You Truly Saved
  
Meldoy:

Apology accepted it is very vital when speaking as Christians that we all speak the truth in love...

Jn 3:16 doesn't mean all is save, it simply states that those who believe will be save meaning only the ones that God has chosen to elect...

See, further Jn 6:37-39, 44-45, 64-65, Jn 17:6-9, 18:5-9...

Jn10:26-29.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  

strongaxe said, "Just what "God Qualities" do either the Catholic or Orthodox churches attribute to icons?" alities??

I address your objection on another posting are you willing to look it up??


strongaxe said, "Also, I never said "God Qualities". I said "reverence". There is a big difference. Most people revere their mothers too, but most don't think their mothers are God.

My point exactly that is why I pointed out to you that the flag and icons cant be compared...

Strongaxe what you must sho is God Qualities aren't attributed to Mary and saints. If you can show this using actual facts then the argument against icons is over so we're all waiting???


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
cluny said, "Jesus ordered it, so how is this so?"

Show to all where Jesus taught that baptism is connected to salvtion (where baptism saes)??

The NT recognizes only 2 offices (pastor or deacon) the word pastor is the same as bishop and elder.

Cluny show in Scripture where there is a authority structure???


How To Speak In Tongues
  
shannon ask, "I have tried to receive the holy spirit numerous times and nothing has happened. At my church, they say you have to speak tongues to get the Holy Spirit. The fruits of the spirit was in me when I tried numerous times. My question is do I have to speak tongues to know I have the Holy Spirit?"

Shannon, if you have been truly born again you already have the Holy Spirit that is why you are bearing the fruits of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-25)

Speaking in tongues ceased with the death of the last apostles for it was a sign of confirmation.


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
cluny said, "Because God gave me the grace to see that what Baptists believed could not be supported by the Bible."

And what are those beliefs one by one???


He Is A Devout Catholic
  
strongaxe said, "I'm just agree with his calling out the hypocrisy of those who pledge allegiance to the flag who condemn those who show reverence to icons, because both are doing exactly the same thing."

What a laughable assertion...

Strongaxe show where and how those who pledge to a flag attribute God Qualities to the flag when they pledge to it unlike RC and Eastern Orthodox who attribute God Qualities to icons and saints???


He Is A Devout Catholic
  

The following is not even to be compared:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."





Blessed St. Joseph, I consecrate myself to your honor and give myself to you, that you may always be my father, my protector and my guide in the way of salvation. Obtain for me great purity of heart and a fervent love of the interior life. After your example, may I perform my actions for the greater Glory of God, in union with the Divine Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Pray for me, Saint Joseph, that I may experience the peace and joy of your holy death. Amen.



He Is A Devout Catholic
  

Melody:

A Rule of Thumb when dealing with Cluny you must stick to the underlining issue and build upon with facts and substance. Cluny is very good for those who don't know his style in derailing a person. He does this especially when he is challenge. If you are persistent in your goal of debating him he will run from you or still try to derail.

Also, Cluny doesn't know much about The Eastern Orthodox Religion as he claims.

If you read his postings he's pretty much always defends Roman Catholicism and not his own religion.

Like in the other dialog with him and Strongaxe I feel very sad for these 2 men because tey have no faith and seek to destroy the faith of others who are rooted and grounded in the Lord...


Suffer From Depression
  
steveng said, "
Couldn't the spirit of God work through all true christians as the spirit of God worked through Jesus?"

Work through in what way be specific?



He Is A Devout Catholic
  
cluny said, "Does this mean you don't ask anybody to pray for you?"

Yes we do but we don't make them gods when we do...

cluny said, "The Bible says in one of the letters of St. Peter, "Baptism doth now save us."

And do understand the context here right?? Also, you do understand the Greek in verse right?? You said you know Greek so you should understand this verse...


He Is A Devout Catholic
  


following prayer is idolatry:


Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

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Prayer For Healing
  
qquestions that were never answered:

1. Strongaxe never answered why Gen 1:1-2, John and Revelationsare not be regarded as Scripture.

2. Cluny never could show church fathers who believed that themselves gave the world the bible and believed they were, "Theopneustos."

3. Strongaxe believ that Laodicea should be Scripture but could never answer why.

4. Strongaxe nor Monk Brendan never showed a scholar who believed the NT was complete in the Second Century???

Cluny and Strongaxe no not what and why they claim to believe what they believe...


Prayer For Healing
  
Melody:

amen...

Hopefully this dialog with Cluny and Strongaxe has been very revealing so we can all plead with God to save these 2 men before their last moments on this earth...

What I thought was very telling was how Strongaxe couldn't answer the questions and he believes that the Koran and the Book of Mormon are no different then the 4 gospels, what a heresy...


He Is A Devout Catholic
  

Monk Brendan:

If someone claims to be something, but bear no marks or identity to what they say they believe, they are false and not true...

Think about what you said baptism doesn't save you my friend and neither do your good works both you focused upon...



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