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Where I Was Saved
  
Kathryn
Your last post was written from the heart, and I was touched. We both believe in Christ, but see the benefit of his sacrifice in different ways.

I see his sacrifice much like the animal sacrifice. Like the animal sacrifice, a means for atonement and forgiveness of sin, but with one difference. His Blood.

The blood of animals was used for cleansing the external, whereas the Blood of Christ is used to cleanse us internally. Which is what Jesus was referring to in (Matthew 23:25 & 26). This internal cleansing is accomplished through the confession of sin.(1 John 1:9).

But words are only words, my words against your words. But when we act upon Gods word,...then we will come to know the Truth. (Matthew 7:24)


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
David rejects salvation by GRACE. He has put a different definition to GRACE.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Again, Your definition of Grace is what I oppose...not the one found in the bible. David rejects Salvation by Grace? You know that is a lie, so why say it? Try to keep the influence of Sin out of our discussion.

You trust the Greek dictionary...look up the definition of the word. It says Grace is the favor of God. How do you reconcile that with your definition?


Failed System Of Socialism
  
Socialism means well, but it doesnt take into account the nature of men. Social Security is a perfect example. What happens when we are able to get a Social Security check after working for many years? We quit work and retire.

A welfare check has the same effect for many of those who are on welfare. It becomes a retirement check.

Now since those on welfare dont have to work for a living, they have a lot of idle time. What do they do with that time? Go visit a government housing project for your answer. Seattle and San Francisco have expanded those checks to include the homeless, and look at the results.

As I said, well meaning..but socialism....by helping, is actually destroying these folks lives.


Where I Was Saved
  
Kathryn
You see anyone who tries to lead you to the right path, as your enemy. I ask you to repent, not because I see you as an evil person, but so that through repentance, you will learn the Truth.

You think I am a Liar, a false teacher. You believe this simply because I do not believe as you believe. Repentance is the very foundation of a life in Christ, but many like to argue definition rather than application.

Confession of sin is paramount to repentance. Daily Confession of sin, keeps you into the light of God, so you can change course. It takes only a few minutes. Try it, see what God does, and then we can have a meaningful discussion.


Where I Was Saved
  
Kathryn:
You are talking about 'bullying' and who is the one that from the very beginning has been doing it - if not you?---Melody on 4/15/19


Thank you Melody.
Kathryn calling me the Bully definitely got a, What?? Out of me.
The Truth hurts, and I just think she was wounded by it. So in her eyes she sees me as the Bully.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
And if you HAVE heard the Gospel of GRACE and rejected it. -Kathryn

Kathryn
We just reject your version of Grace for the one Jesus taught.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
And another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which written in the books, according to their works". And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works".---Melody

Again Melody,...the word Works is a curse word in many churches who choose to extrapolate a false narrative from a few passages of Pauls.

Those who follow these false doctrines have put their trust in men and take the word of men over the word of God. BTW, my apologies for thinking you could have been Kathryn.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
And another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which written in the books, according to their works". And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works".---Melody

Again Melody,...the word Works is a curse word in many churches who choose to extrapolate a false narrative from a few passages of Pauls.

Those who follow these false doctrines have put their trust in men and take the word of men over the word of God. BTW, my apologies for thinking you could have been Kathryn.


Where I Was Saved
  
David rejects these scriptures....so John I DO NOT NEED TO LISTEN TO HIM. I LISTEN TO GOD.---kathr4453

......And still, no testimony to prove me wrong. Why? It is because your testimony would prove me right. Listen to your own testimony, Kathryn.

I am not singling you out,....millions of people have a testimony which involve being saved by their works. They claim, like you, I did this or I did that...and I was saved. And then blindly, make the claim they were saved by Gods Grace.

Kathryn, how many times have you heard an evangelist, like Billy Graham, ask folks to come forward to make their decision?
Grace...is Gods decision!! If you listen to your own testimony, you will see if was works or Grace that saved you.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
"Blessed are they that do HIS COMMANDMENTS,...Revelation 22:14---Melody

But isnt this a teaching of WORKS?
Many think it is Melody, and thats why they reject it.

What does it mean to repent?
You were born a servant to sin, therefore sin is your Master, right from birth.

When the Bible says, Repent,.... it means to change who you serve. When you Sin, you serve Satan. When you Keep Gods commandments, you serve God.

Sadly...Many churches, in ignorance, teach serving God is Works. Folks are called to repent, yet somehow, without keeping Gods commandments???

For those of you who like to study Paul, in his (Romans 7) marriage analogy, he gives us the result for those who Repent.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
Besides, if that were true, why would we need a Bible, if God would just write what we need on our hearts?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
The bible was printed in 1611, long after the Lord started the church. They didnt need a bible, How do you explain this?

Well David, then show us the verses you claim Jesus said if you keep His law, THEN God will sends His Grace and Then saves you by Grace.---kathr4453

(John 14:23 & 24)Jesus replied, Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own, they belong to the Father who sent me


Where I Was Saved
  
I've posted my testimony here for nearly 15 years. 852 people so far have been blessed by it. If you weren't here, that's your loss. --kathr4453

Kathryn
Your unwillingness to give your testimony, simply proves my point, your testimony involves Works. If this were not true, you would have given it by now. And Everyone, but you, realizes that.

And Kathryn, just because someone agrees with you, that doesnt make it True. Jim Jones boasted 25,000 followers.


Where I Was Saved
  

I've Already shared my testimony and out of my testimony I preach THAT very testimony of CHRIST CRUCIFIED. ---kathr4453

Kathryn
You were saved when Jesus was crucified? Jesus was crucified long before you were born. Kinda Sounds a little like Calvinism, since you too, were saved before you were born.

Sounds interesting, did your church branch off from one of the ones John Calvin founded? What do you call your religion?


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
Didn't you hear him, ....after you keep THE LAW, God flies by seeing you do His will by keeping the Law, and WALLA God sends His Grace to you and toy are then saved by Grace.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Do you ever listen to yourself? I said what Jesus said. Making your silly rants against me, blasphemy against him.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
StrongAxe
When I say the Law of God, I refer to the Law God writes in your heart, the New Covenant of Christ. Why does everyone assume I am talking about the law of Moses when I mention, the Law?

Havent the Laws Jesus mentioned to the man in (Matthew 19), always been Gods Law? If not, how could God punish Cain when he murdered Able? Why did God flood the Earth?

If Sin is the transgression of Gods Laws (1 John 3:4), How can God punish the sinner on the day of judgement, unless there are Laws which can be broken?

Kathryn
No need to get all keyed up. John was not complimenting me..he just was advocating the Truth.


Where I Was Saved
  
Kathryn
You argue about what I say, and yet when I give you a means to prove me wrong, you dont take it. The Truth is in your testimony. Just give us your testimony, and then we can see if you did something to be saved. But my hope is, you will see it.

Many folks, like you, confuse the receiving of the Holy Spirit with salvation. They believe they are saved, and then create a false narrative, using Pauls epistles as proof of their salvation.

If you are arguing with someone about whether a fence, surrounding a pasture, is electrified, how do you win the argument? Touch the fence Kathryn...touch the fence.


Where I Was Saved
  
David, I hate to say this, but from all that you have written over the months, it appears you are working very hard in hopes to be chosen for salvation.---kathr4453

Kathryn
Peter said, Paul was hard for some folks, to understand. Tell me, Which part of the Passage below are you having trouble with? Maybe I can help you.

Romans 2:6 & 7)
God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


Stop Arresting Criminals
  
Did God offer Eternal life to those under the Law of Moses?
No, he didn't.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/19


StrongAxe
Notice the Lords answer to the man who asked about Eternal Life, a New Covenant teaching. When asked about Eternal Life, he was told to keep the Commandments. Jesus told the Truth, or he lied to this man. What do you believe?

(Matthew 19: 16 & 17)
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life? Why do you ask me about what is good? Jesus replied. There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.


If your interested, This teaching is the foundation for what Paul taught in (Romans 2 & 3).


Where I Was Saved
  
Okay, you dont believe me. I understand. Let me prove it to you.

Each of you who dont believe me, give us your testimony, without telling us you did something the day you were saved. Cant do it? If you cant do it, it should be obvious, you saved yourselves when you acted.

God chooses who he will save, not you.



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