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Can Satan Be Forgiven
Proof John LIED:
John here's Scripture showing ISRAEL THE NATION, as Gods Elect...Deut 7:6, Exodus 19:4-6, Psalma 135:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:1-2, 45:4 And loud and clear Amos 3:2. YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE FAMILIES On earth....Not John the Gentile. No Gentile was Gods elect. No individual Jew or Gentile....but the WHOLE NATION. They were not automatically saved because they were Gods elect.

Now we do see in Romans 11:1-8 God has not forgotten them. But He will remember them after YOU a GENTILE WILD AGAINST NATURE is grafted in. But until then MULTITUDES OF JEWS are and have been LOST over the last 2000 years. There's no universal salvation for them who rejected Christ...elect though they may be.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19

Predestined For Hell
God will ultimately reconcile all things to himself. That has to include everyone who opposed him, including Satan and those angels who followed him. It's a beautiful thing that God is going to do.
---JS1234 on 9/16/19

No it doesn't have to JS1234. ONLY THOSE in Christ As Christ is head of the NEW CREATION. God is not reconciling the old creature or old creation or all of Adam 1 or demons to Himself... ..there will be a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH....NOT A reconciled old earth . Old things pass away. Gone caput. bye bye...You are misreading those verses. More scripture says many will not enter in the New Creation. Rev 20-21 You are mixing reconstruction theology with your beliefs which is a false Doctrine.

Dormition Of Mary
Just because something is a majority doesn't make it truth either. Please back that mindset up with scripture. You have NO SCRIPTURE to back up anything you are saying Cluny....


The majority of Jews after Jesus resurrection STILL didn't did that make them right?

Your argument is what I call a Nicolism....totally a nothing burger in point.

You are free to venerate Mary all you want Cluny...I'm not stopping you.....however I find it opposes known scripture so I'll pass out of obedience to the KNOWN WILL OF GOD.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Ephesians 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches OF HIS GRACE,

NT GRACE /reconciliation cannot be separated from the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS. Colossians 1:20

The GRACE OF GOD that brings salvation....... Is clearly stated in Ephesians 1:7. We have been redeemed WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS. REDEEMED MEANS SALVATION. 1 Peter 1:19

Can Satan Be Forgiven

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Now I already know how JS1234 will answer the previous post...saying as he has before...if God wants to feed me to Satan, then it's Gods will. Universalists take NO responsibility. que sera sera but LOOK, WE ARE TO BE SOBER AND VIGILANT first...aren't we?

Just as we have been WARNED about perishing and everlasting punishment. There is no que sera sera here. No scripture teaches such a thing. WE are to repent, believe and OBEY..Romans 10:9-10, .Romans 16:25-27. Romans 6-8, Romans 12:1-2....just for starters.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
the way to be IN CHRIST is to first be baptized INTO HIS DEATH, and THEN raised up together with Him are now IN CHRIST. Not everyone is IN CHRIST.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:10 And IFChrist be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Absent From Our Body
Correction. David8318 left three final assaulting posts on the Salvation by our Works thread. David and I were discussing something not even close to JW Doctrine, ...and we weren't even discussing the JW belief or the total annihilation of our soul, and for some reason David8318 changed the subject, personally assaulted me calling me the anti Christ because I believe in the Trinity and believe in the deity of Christ. Many weeks ago stated I do not believe our soul is disintegrated at death. For some reason, this worked David8318 into some sort of frenzy. I asked here WHY.? Why do JW's get so worked up? Is it the Holy Spirit bringing them under conviction? I do hope so.

Absent From Our Body
I also believe David jumped in here because his twin David8318 is in over his head with the REAL WORD OF GOD exposing the false doctrine of the JW's. It's a known tactic used here on line. If David is not JW, and is concerned for those in false doctrine AKA a false Gospel, he would be witnessing to David8318 and not be trying to create a diversion/ obstruction of the thread.

We all see through you David.

Absent From Our Body
David8318, what did you stop short only quoting Romans 5:12? The wages of sin is death, but the GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO have received the gift of righteousness that is only IN CHRIST.

Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one, much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Absent From Our Body

after David8316's vicious attack that anyone who believes in God Father Son and Holy Spirit, along with Believing Jesus THE WORD is GOD spew foul mouth hate that anyone who believes THE REAL SCRIPTURES are anti-Christ must be a real WARNING not to even open the door or allow these foul mouth Cult people on your property. I dont know of any CULT so violently aggressive towards others who dispute their false doctrine they revise at every turn, also believing the Rapture took place and we are now living in the 1000 year reign where God wipes the wicked off the earth...SHOULD MAKE ANYONES HAIR STAND ON END, as they see themselves as Gods instrument of wiping out the wicked. These people are DANGEROUS.

Absent From Our Body
Most Jehovah's Witnesses are not considered part of the 144,000 and do not expect to go to heaven. Rather, they believe themselves part of the Great Crowd that will never die, but rather reside forever on earth.. WHAT....NEVER DIE?

Prior to 1935, all "true Christians" were said to be anointed and called to heaven. Therefore, everyone associating with the Watchtower Society prior to 1935 was automatically part of the heavenly class. Those who converted after 1935 generally are told they have an earthly hope. What makes this doctrine quite absurd is that it indicates God could only find 144,000 true Christians over a period of 2000 years, yet over 16.6 million are Jehovah Witness since 1935.

Absent From Our Body
ZION WITH A "Z" is earthly Jerusalem.

Hebrews 12:22-24

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, AKA THE RIGHTEOUS.

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel....(meaning Jesus blood far surpasses Abel's animal sacrifice of blood. )

Two Prophets Of Revelation
The Witch of Endor saw Samuel in heaven, and in parable of Rich Man and Lazarus, Abraham was in heaven - despite neither knowing Jesus nor Jesus having died yet.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/19

No one said that OT faith in the promised redeemer had to believe Jesus already died...YIKES. AND no one said one knew What His name would be..YIKES AGAIN. No verses say Samuel or Lazarus was in Heaven, or that the Witch saw him in heaven. ....Jesus said in Luke they were in Abrahams Bosom. But I'm sure those in Abrahams Bosom were the ones who like Job believed in the coming Redeemer, as we now look back. These are now the spirits of Just men MADE PERFECT when Jesus lead captivity captive and brought them all to heaven AFTER He rose from the dead.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Also Strongaxe, IF what you say is true, it could only be true if there are those like the Pharisee and Publican who one strutted all his good works, verses one who simply said, BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.

So, we know according to Romans 2 God put a conscience in man to know right and wrong. So perhaps if one who's conscience has not been seared says I DONT KNOW YOUR NAME, but BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.....PERHAPS these will be saved. well just have to wait and see. But good works alone???? NOPE!

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Also Strongaxe, I see Matthew 24-25 different than you. This will be a time when Jesus as KING will be here, on His Throne called His Second Coming setting up His Earthly 1000 year reign....and who will be allowed to be here at that time. Zechariah 12-14 add more information to this time. Those who came against ISRAEL are the goats. And those who didn't seem to be allowed to enter the 1000 year reign.

Matthew 25 ..This is not the Great White Throne Judgement as NO BOOKS ..or even a mention of the Lambs book of life is mentioned.

Jesus' reference to "my brethren " here in Matthew 25 is the Jews. Supporting scripture is Zechariah 12-14.

Salvation By Our Works
Yea David, and I can't believe you have made Roger Rabbit your God ....totally bazaar! But it makes sense....your cartoon comments now all make sense.

Salvation By Our Works
So Kathr4453 is far from the truth when trying to understand salvation. Kathr doesn't believe salvation is through Jesus Christ because kathr believes the soul survives death and therefore does not need saving. LIES from kathr4453's CULT.
---David8318 on 8/15/19

Well again David8318 is off the wall in his assessment of what I believe, and must be brain damaged not understanding salvation is ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, in our identification with Him in death and resurrection life. You simply can't come THROUGH JESUS ANY OTHER WAY....Hebrews 10, Romans 6.... I can't stress enough, ....shows The David's here simply do not understand scripture at all by making such a MORONIC statement ...and a FALSE one at that. So pathetic.

Salvation By Our Works
Seeing David can't one said JW's believe they were born sinless. So the verses you posted don't apply here. Try again David.

Salvation Only For Jehovah's Witnesses
Watchtower teaches that Jehovah's Witnesses alone will survive Armageddon. This is because only they have Gods backing, being the sole group that worship the true God, Jehovah.

It's all wrapped up in the above statement. The believe because they are JW'S...BECAUSE THEY ARE SINLESS ONCE THEY JOIN THE JW'S.

Dormition Of Mary
The poor old goat just can't help himself. I really feel sorry for this, as some old folks really get crotchety and nasty in their old age. Sometimes it's the medication, sometimes it's just the heart of the person....always laying awake nights thinking of a great nasty comeback......I actually think Proverbs has many verses addressing this issue.

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