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Salvation By Our Works
I can't believe how "the David's" are here making a fool of themselves ...but hay, .keep up the foolishness for others to see. No one has to even debate you....your "self impeaching" comments are all that's needed here.

Salvation By Our Works
Also David, You have again a peculiar view that without the law, one can live a lawless life. WRONG. Firstly, you have recklessly made false accusations. We don't reject the law David, we just don't use it the way you do. We use it according to scripture, not according to David.

It's your ignorant attacks here that need to stop. Romans 7... Begin with we who are Jewish have died to the law so we can be married to another...CHRIST. You love the end of Romans need to start in the beginning, and end with the last verse...WHO will deliver me from the body of this death...I THANK GOD JESUS DID...YEA...PRAISE there is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE IN CHRIST. So stop comdemning those in Christ David.

Salvation By Our Works
But David does make a point about Protestants, ...Presbyterian's who technically fit the description of those who opposed Catholicism re John Calvin....are Protestant's as is Donald Trump, where they believe they are Gods ELECT has never repented, doesn't see himself as a sinner... And we do see Trump perfectly described in Davis's assessment believing they are the elect, can do no wrong, or even if they did...God will fix it. The hypocricy here is David won't condemn Trump.

But I don't believe all Protestants hold to that form of doctrine. So again, David's assessment is made out of ignorance, or worse...personal attacks having respect of persons.

Do We Have Free Will
Monk, in reviewing Revelation 11, the Lord spoke to me through these verses this morning to show that they too will be accused of being hateful. So I'm assured by the Lord not to take you and Cluny or even David's remarks to heart. I guess it all depends on where you're sitting. I see your constant attacking truth the real issue here.

Hope before Rev 11 takes place you all have a WOK moment.

Is Evangelism Important
Here is where the TRUE CHURCH AKA THE BOC , EXPOSES Orthodox and RCC succession. These verses refute their cultish practices. The Lord gives EVERY CHRISTIAN a GIFT, to use WITH AUTHORITY, no matter who you are, where you live, whether you are a man or woman. Please know yours and use it WITH AUTHORITY, and don't let any bully try to stop you.

Ephesians 410 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Tell Them To Leave
Seeing Cluny again wasted another spot here with his senile comments of WHO CARES ....Jerry, your hate is really applauding and so bazaar. These home grown white men and teem white boys who are mass murderers in our country are and have been on the rise since TRUMP has taken the scene. His refusal to CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACY from the get go, is endorsing it.

And all the hate towards Dems and deflecting these facts towards Dems and immigration will NEVER sanitize the FACTS. Only twisted FOX would twist these FACTS. Your just a mindless Paul-Parrott of FOX NEWS.

Do We Have Free Will
So David, just posted Romans 6:13 for you as the answer to your question, Why do many continue in sin who call themselves Christians or say they are dead...or sin died or whatever your question was. It's because part of the problem is they failed to OBEY the YIELD your members as those alive from the dead part unto God ....Romans is very clear..a detailed step by step of what OUR PART IS....SUBMIT, YIELD AND RECKON , OBEY FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine delivered to you.

If you are trying to do on your own in the flesh without being crucified with Christ and raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM can't be done David. Sin will ALWAYS BE ALIVE IN YOUR MEMBERS. You need Jesus deliverance, not self effort purification..

Do We Have Free Will
It also must be noted that the GOSPEL OF SALVATION, is not about trying to achieve sinless perfection, but praising God we have been set FREE from the power of Sin through Jesus death and resurrection, and our being set free by our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

I,actually find David's sarcastic comments re "dying to sin" as blasphemy against the very truths God has established. I DIE DAILY is a daily obedience as well, he simply neglects to acknowledge. Even Nicole made a moronic comment on this verse against scripture, out of ignorance.

Your gospel is not the gospel of scripture David.

Predestined For Hell
JS1234, also I don't know who is and isn't saved, and never have said I did. So when you post to me, you always throw in your little twists to make yourself look the victim, and then blame God for all your shortcomings, and blame others for this or that.

You have a peculiar obsession with predestination and free will, but seem to refuse to search the scriptures to see what God says on the subject , but rather rely on mans personal beliefs. Then say, well it's Gods fault that I don't read the Bible to search for the answer.

Must be nice to dump all on God ...but one day, He will dump all that back on you.

Loved Ones Are In Hell
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

More supporting scripture to Daniel 12:2 debunking universalism OR pergetory as a temporary place of fire supposedly to refine, aka a form of universalism.

And Barb, here clearly says the fire will never end. You see, Gods lake of fire does not need earthly oxygen and combustibles. Remember the "burning bush" never burned up.

Jesus Action Rewards
Food for Paradise, your traditional for lent is a manmade tradition and has no biblical basis that PROVE anything.

There is no scripture with Noah that says *NOW* you can eat meat. God also told Noah that killing another human was forbidden, YET we know it was a sin AND HAPPENED before the flood as well. Just because we only hear about Cain, doesnt mean he was the ONLY one who murdered before the flood. YET you would think it was a whole new IDEA, God telling Noah not to take anothere life.

There are 2000+ years between Adam and Eve and the Flood, and only 9 chapters covering it???? Must be a lot we dont know....yet people make up stuff like Adam and Eve were GIANTS.....where NO SCRIPTURE makes such a statement.

Jesus Action Rewards
JS 1234, that is why I gave you Leviticus Chapter 3 to read. See the verse below, it does not say sacrifice, nor anything about eating either. So not every verse goes into detail ..or else say because God didn't micromanage over and over every detail , that you can argue the details. Jesus wasn't cut into pieces either, nor was His body burnt upon an alter, yet He was the ULTIMATE complete sacrifice for sin...being OFFERED ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Leviticus 3:2 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.

Jesus Action Rewards
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Genesis 4:4 is in keeping with Leviticus 3:1-16. That the FAT, is perfectly defined as part of the offering of the pieces of the offering, to be burnt...

So "Young's" got it wrong. Scripture teaches scripture. Noah before the flood offered sacrifice, Job, Abraham, etc offered sacrifice for sin before the Law of Moses. God was the first to set the standard, KILLING and COVERING Adam and Eve, pointing to our sins being covered, UNTIL His own sacrifice of Himself for our sin.

Now the RCC believe eating Jesus literally in MASS equates OT eating the fat thereof.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2
The problem I have with David is his taking random verses out of context, thinking they are HOW TO GET SAVED, verses, rather than seeing these are verses addressing THE SAINTS...MEANING THOSE ALREADY SAVED.

I'll also bet he's never read Romans 5-8 together uninterrupted in one sitting, just as Paul wrote the churches. Pauls letters are not "one hit wonders" like some Confucius says one liners. David simply does not know or understand HOW to read scripture. All truths come in 2-3's and are not ambiguous, as he seems to use the scriptures. This is what CULTS DO.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2
Also anyone who makes up garbage, like that silly girl who was the initial author of "The Passion of the Christ" who claimed to have extra carricular visions of the horrible death of Jesus,that not even the LORD HIMSELF spoke of in scripture nor those who wrote the Gospels even went into such detail....NOW THATS GNOSTICISM, as some of the RCC mysticism cults are steeped in.

Everything you need to know is right in scripture, but the natural mind cannot grasp or understand what is right in front of Romans 6-8...... BUT GOD have revealed it unto those who are HIS.

Gnosticism is outside of scripture. Like saying LOVE "KILLS" EVIL within.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2
Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a higher truth known only to a certain few. Gnosticism comes from the Greek word gnosis which means to know. Gnostics claim to possess a higher knowledge, not from the Bible, but acquired on some mystical higher plane of existence. Gnostics see themselves as a privileged class elevated above everybody else by their higher, deeper knowledge of God.

Steveng has made no such statement, nor is that what Romans 1:20 is about. Cluny, you have made a FALSE ACCUSATION against another. Apologize please.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2
Also David says love kills evil in us. I can't find any scripture supporting this. What I see is Romans 6, (for some reason David rejects) , which teaches when we died with Christ we died to sin/evil within. Our Flesh aka as our old man, our adam1 has been crucified with Christ Galatians 5:22-25 whereby our New MAN created In Christs RIGHTEOUSNESS, is how we begin IN THE SPIRIT, GAL 3, showing in Gal 5 and Romans 8 is the Only way one's Love is acceptable to GOD.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2
Even in the OT, "the Just shall live by faith. ". So what we see is God taking the initiative in creating Israel as His chosen people. They had it all, the Covenants of promise, circumcised the 8 The day, can also be paralleled with infant baptism, the Law, etc, etc. And yet, we see in Romans 10 THEY WERE LOST. Circumcision didn't benefit anything, being Gods elect still did not guarantee salvation. And look, we have so many repeating this very mistake, refusing to learn anything from it. Even Paul thought he was blameless, even as a grown man....boy was he in for the shock of his life. He realized his RELIGION , being elect, etc, did not save him.

Explain Matthew 6:1-2
I believe in EVERY WORD OF GOD, however not EVERY WORD applies to me. I believe in the Law of Moses, but I'm not under the law of Moses, because EVERY WORD OF GOD has also stated we are no longer under the law of Moses.

There is now no condemnation to those IN CHRIST, who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. Romans 8:1. So the LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF THE LIFE OF CHRIST IN ME has set me free from the law of sin and death.


So, ask yourselves....1) ARE YOU "IN CHRIST"? 2) How did you come to be "IN CHRIST"? 3) WHO and HOW have you been made complete IN HIM?

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