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Salvation By Our Works
So David, is your issue with Paul?

1Cor 1:23 For we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Salvation By Our Works
That's interesting David. So I take it you don't believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ AKA Christ Crucified. I've gathered that since you only believe in Christ before the Cross. I guess you've never heard of Charles Spurgeon? Just to name one. But I will concur that since Osteen and the such have taken over the airways of TV, ( seeing that may be your only contact with the outside world) sad.... You will only hear the Gospel of Christ Crucified in grounded Gospel preaching churches. It also appears your church does not preach Christ Crucified. Paul said God forbid I preach anything but Christ Crucified.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
And hopefully JS1234 does not see name calling in my post. Identifying CULTS is not name calling. Standing on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets is not name calling.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Let's be clear that the early fathers aka the church fathers are NOT The Prophets and Apostles God built His truth on. Those men are listed in scripture. Everyone else after that are no different than you and I.....those who follow the Foundation the Apostles and Prophets of scripture, OR those who don't and started their own cults based on cherry picking scripture along with mixing scripture with Gnosticism and other false doctrines the Prophets and Apostles have warned us about.

So it appears JS1234 has made it clear through many of his posts he is another who follows man and NOT the Word of God. With that in mind, no scripture built on the Apostles and Prophets ever preached Universalism.

Dormition Of Mary
Just the fact that the Feast of DORMITION of Mary is NOT Celebrated in any other religion but Orthodox or the RCC should be a clue not all believe in this Mariology Catholic Orthodox dogma doctrine.

Many of us believe Mary is no different than all the Saints both big and small, aka CHRISTIANS who have passed , are asleep IN THE LORD. We believe those who have passed away have no contact with the living and vice versa, according to the Lord statements in Luke. We believe those who do, are practicing witchcraft as did Saul in the OT and was severely punished for it. We also believe that never changed with the New Testament/Covenant.
And WE believe no one will be bodily resurrected until the FIRST RESURRECTION, which is future.

Salvation By Our Works
Ok now maybe we can get back to the blog question.

The only Grace I see in scripture is not given by men, but comes from God alone. No one is JUSTIFIED by any WORKS. And Justification is something God alone does. We are justified by our faith in what Christ has done. Justification is also not a process. Now GROWING in the Grace and knowledge of Jesus is a process, but GROWING UP INTO the fullness ans stature of Christ Ephesians 4, again cannot be attained by any works of the flesh or works of the law.

Salvation By Our Works
I answered your question David, I'm not a follower of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. I don't know what he teaches, so I can't be a follower of him. What makes you think anyone is his follower? I've never stated his name here once....good or bad. Again, sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a 4th grader. Grow up David. When you mature ...let us know. We may enjoy debating with you then. BUT until then , as long as you applying your own twisted whatever to it ...NO. Your weird ....and annoying.

But this is for sure what you are saying is that YOU follow man. And because YOU DO, your thinking is everyone else must too. WRONG! Your thinking is STRANGE.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Talk about twisting scripture. But Hay, the natural mind cannot understand the things of the spirit, and Jesus said MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.

Yes man can refuse to believe, also showing not all men have faith.

Universalists belief don't need faith...and without faith it's impossible to please God.

Universalists cherry pick scripture like ALL CULTS DO.

Salvation By Our Works
David, I rebuke YOU. why don't you understand that?

The Gospel of Salvation is clearly stated in scripture. How we become a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST is clearly stated in scripture. Romans 6.....old things pass away all things become NEW. Put on the NEW MAN created in righteousness and holiness....YOU DAVID REJECT scripture and follow the teachings of man.

Why are you so daft in this area? Do you think somehow you are going to TRICK ME? What a putz!

Salvation By Our Works
LUKE 16:20-26 a must read. Jesus own words would NEVER DECEIVE or make up a lie for any reason. Doing so would show He was a sinner. SDA and JW both accuse GOD of lying, insulting the Holy Spirit, could be the unforgivable sin.


A beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried,

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.

It was not their physical bodies here but their souls.

Dormition Of Mary
Ruben, you keep asking the same question I have already answered. Only ONLY ONLY the RCC and affiliates call Mary The Mother of God, and all the baggage that come with that TITLE you have given her. You, by doing so have exalted her above what God has, making IKONS, trinkets, dashboard divas , and monuments, statues , prayers, etc etc etc .and the DORMITION of Mary..a Fiest day NOT IN SCRIPTURE...showing it is your tradition based on false beliefs about Mary.

If you can find ANY verse that uses specifically the TITLE of Mary...THE MOTHER OF GOD, please show your scripture, or accept many don't believe what is not in scripture. I don't believe your made up doctrine's a CULT.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Makes me wonder as we see the Gospel so watered down these days, along with the touchy feely false doctrine of universal is, which by the way is NOT CHRISTIANITY, if that is why there is so much lawlessness in our world today.

There are several verses as to who/ what will not inherit the Kingdom of God. No verse says all will eventually one day come to their senses and inherit the Kingdom of God.

Liars also have their part in the Lake of fire.

Salvation By Our Works
Psalms 16: 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

We know by David8316 that he believes Michael is Jesus, also twisting Hebrews 1....YET we know Angels don't have souls. Nor do animals or plants. Angels are created spirit beings. They have no blood either. And no hope of redemption since God sent His only begotten Son to SAVE "SOULS" aka MAN, FROM DEATH. And Hebrews as well as Timothy say the only mediator between God and man IS THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, not the archangel Michael....who is STILL named MICHAEL.,totally debunking David's bazaar twist of Hebrews 1 where he thinks God IS asking one of His angels to sit at His right hand.

Salvation By Our Works
David, are you having fun throwing stupid comments here? Who said I follow Jimmy Swaggart? Why do you lower yourself to making stuff up. You lose all credibility here when you do so.

And you seem to forget I've posted here for nearly 16 years and those who know me KNOW I don't follow Jimmy Swaggart. But nice try David. Nice trying to AGAIN make a fool of yourself. You don't need to keep won the fool of the month club . Try again for the September fool of the month club. Is this how your WORKS of salvation work David, LYING and making stuff up? That's WHY I can't take anything you say or teach seriously.

Keeping Of Sunday
Also Jerry, no one commands any keeping of Sunday either. It's just what many do who celebrate the day Jesus rose from the dead, rather than worship a Jesus still in the grave. Without His resurection there is no forgivness of sin to begin with. The proof God accepted Jesus sacrifice on the Cross is the proof of Jesus Resurrection. But hay, if you don't believe Jesus paid it all, and you feel you need to pay for your own sin by keeping the law...then why aren't you all stoning one another for that sin?

Salvation By Our Works
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 3:13 show Enoch, Elijah did not go to heaven, at least not before Jesus died and rose again. NO ONE DID.

Accusing me of not believing Jesus died and rose again.....ARE YOU ON CRACK? Or did you stab yourself with a knife meant for another? How can one believe they died and rose up with Christ...ROMANS 6 If they don't believe Jesus died and rose again? HOW can one identify with Jesus in death and resurrection life, OR totally believe in Galatians 2:20-21 if they don't believe Jesus died and rose again? I know you keep saying that, but my posts for the last 16 years PROVE YOU A LIAR.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Oh yea, Armstrongism...I've totally forgotten about that CULT.

Dormition Of Mary
Ruben, I do not refuse to call Jesus God in His humanity . Jesus is fully God and fully man. So just because I don't say Mary is the Mother of God, please don't twist that around to accuse those who don't of not believing Jesus is Fully God amid fully man.

You may be able to pull that off on some ignorant...but not here with me Ruben.

Keeping Of Sunday
We are now FREE to be married to another and free to worship God 7 days a week , bringing forth FRUIT. Romans 7. Since heaven is now our home, Colossians 2-3, and in heaven there are no days or nights or even a's awesome. Praise God for those who have ENTERED INTO HIS REST from the foundation of the world. The 7th day of Creation pointed to the finished works of Christ on the cross. This is what Hebrews 3-4 is telling us.....and a promise left us of ENTERING IN. We don't have to keep it ...we now are called to ENTER IT. And you ask HOW do we enter? Hebrews 10....THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH... A NEW AND LIVING WAY AKA I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. Romans 6 and Galatians 2:20-21.

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