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Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
kathr4453:

God has had seveal different dispensations, each with different rules.

Before the Fall, innocence.
Before the Flood, men were vegetarians.
After Noah, meat was permitted.
With Abraham, the Abrahamic Promise.
With Jacob, the covenant with Israel.
Under Moses, the Law.
Under John the Baptist, the teaching of repentance.
Under Jesus, the Gospel of the Kingdom.
After Pentecost, Christianity.

Matthew 25:31-33 says the Son of Man will come in glory, separating the nations AS sheep and goats. Obviously they're not ACTUAL sheep and goat, but this is obviously a prophecy (and not merely a parable) by the way it's worded.


Keeping Of Sunday
  
jerry6593:

God wrote "REMEMBER THE SABBATH TO KEEP IT HOLY" - but that is NOT what YOU are asking. YOU keep asking about WORSHIP.

He did *NOT* write "THOU SHALT WORSHIP ON THE SABBATH, AND ON THE SABBATH ALONE", which seems to be what you are altering his words into.

I keep asking you, as you ask here, what scriptures REQUIRE worship on the Sabbath, and what scriptures FORBID worship on other days. You NEVER answer this - for one good reason. You know very well there are no such scriptures.

The Bible does NOT say Jesus worshiped on the Sabbath. It said he TAUGHT on the Sabbath. The synagogue is a place of TEACHING. The Jewish word for it means "school". I never said "not keep".


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
kathr4453:

The religion we know as "Christianity" didn't start until after Pentecost, and the Jewish leaders at the time called it the "cult of the Nazarene".

Again, any Christians who know their bible would KNOW Matthew 25, and would not need to ask the question. They would ALREADY KNOW that what they do unto others they are doing to Jesus. Since it's a concept taught throughout scriptures (as you just said), Christians should KNOW this lesson, and know it well.

So why would they ask the question? Only if they DIDN'T KNOW. So WHY didn't they know?


Keeping Of Sunday
  
jerry6593:

I had already given that answer several times, and so had several others, so I'm curious why you kept saying that nobody had answered it.

The question remains: WHY is this SO important to you? And WHY is is so important to ANYONE?

NO scripture COMMANDS worship on the Sabbath, and NO scripture FORBIDS worship on other days. Why do you get so upset when others go to church on Sunday (or Wednesday, or any other day for that matter)? This is something you have never properly explained. You keep avoiding this very obvious and very relevant question.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
kathr4453:

When Jesus said "I was hungry and you fed me", etc. sheep ask "When did we do that?". Why would they ask this? Christians would ALREADY know the answer! I asked others how that's possible several times, but nobody ever gave a satisfactory answer.

Another possibility is that there are people who have God's law written on their hearts, and who follow it, despite never actually having heard of Jesus? When they meet Jesus at the final judgment, they will say "It was you all along!".

Also, since Christians say they are the only true way to be saved, wouldn't that make Christianity a cult by your own definition? EVERY religion is new at some point.

I read Martin's KotC years ago.


Keeping Of Sunday
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: Here is the blog question again:
Can anyone show me the scripture that commands the keeping of Sunday in honor of Christ's resurrection?


And here is the answer again: No, nobody can show such a scripture, because there isn't one.

Asked asked and answered.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
kathr4453:

The line between cults and heresies is fuzzy. The contains no definition of "cult".

The Arian heresy said Jesus was more than man, but less than God. This is what Jehovah's Witnesses teach. Some statements of Jesus put him on the same level as God, but some put him on a lower level, so saying the Bible teaches one and not the other is incorrect - it teaches BOTH.

The Bible is also somewhat ambiguous about universalism - some scriptures say we are only saved through faith in Jesus. Others suggest even some who don't know Jesus yet do his will anyway (e.g. Matthew 25 sheep) will have a higher place in heaven than believers who don't.

Catholics have a supreme leader (i.e. the Pope).


Keeping Of Sunday
  
Samuelbb7:

You wrote: Genesis 2:2,3 ...

One thing conspicuous here by its absence is "Worship". It is about rest, NOT worship. "Sanctify" means "Make holy", and "holy" means "separate". The Sabbath is different form all other days, in that it is a day of rest, not work.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Exactly. The Sabbath was God's gift of rest to man, so that man wouldn't slavishly toil day in, day out. It's not a day to slavishly follow a bunch of commands.

Acts 13:44

Again, note the total absence of Worship here. It is about preaching, NOT worship.


Netflix The Family
  
jerry6593:

No, you don't understand me correctly. There IS a universal, absolute truth, but we see through a glass darkly, so we all percieve that truth differently.

God spoke the Ten Commandments TO THE JEWS. *WE* are not Jews. 10C were not given to *US*. If God had wanted to give them to the whole world, he would have done so. He did not.

Paul was an actual scholar of Jewish law, and personally called by Jesus. You and I are not. I trust HIS interpretations of what parts of the Law Christians are required to follow better than yours. I've told you two teachings of his on the Sabbath, but you always explain them away as they inconveniently conflict with your personal beliefs. You trust your own church over Paul.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
kathr4453:

The line between difference of opinion and heresy is fairly vague, and different people put it in different places. Thus, what some people call denominations, other people call cults. There are some people who believe that only their interpretation of Christianity is correct, and call almost all Christian denominations heretics.


Keeping Of Sunday
  
jerry6593:

People HAVE answered the blog question, many times. You just refuse to listen. Or did you disingenously ask the question, not to get an answer, but to prove to everyone else that there isn't one?

kathr4453 wrote: no one commands any keeping of Sunday either.
JS1234 wrote: There are no commands in the New Testament to keep any particular day.

Now that this question has been answered, the question remains: WHY are you SO OBSESSED with this? I have asked you that before, several times, but you have never answered it.

Refuted my points how? You have NEVER shown a scripture that COMMANDS worship on the Sabbath, and you have NEVER shown a scripture FORBIDDING worship on other days.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
JS1234:

Yes, God can do anything he wants. However, God mostly stays out of the picture, and lets us do our own thing. He doesn't will that anyone should perish, yet people still perish. There is much death and disease and suffering in the world. Wars constantly happen, resulting in the deaths of millions. There are three possibilities:

1) God wants that to happen (which means God is an evil sadist), or
2) God doesn't care one way or other (which makes him indifferent, not a loving parent), or
2) God doesn't want it to happen, but chooses not to intervene, because that would interfere with man's free will (until he finally gets sick of it all and does so, resulting in cataclysms like the Flood and Armageddon).


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
JS1234:

You wrote: The Armstrong father and son will eventually be able to come to their senses and God will save them too.

Whom do you mean? Herbert W. Armstrong died on January 16, 1986, and Garner Ted Armstrong died on September 15, 2003. Neither one has any further opportunity to come to their senses.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
faithforfaith:

Yes, the Bible speaks about various witnesses, but this blog is specifically about the Two Witnesses in Revelation 11 who preach, are killed by the Beast, lie in the street for three days without being buried, are resurrected, and ascend to heaven.


JS1234:

Both Armstrongs died from natural causes, were buried, and are still dead, so they obviously CAN'T be the Two Witnesses. The Bible has descriptions of requirements for a prophet, and what to do if one predicts something that isn't true. Yet, the various WCG churches all follow people the Bible says are false prophets. So which "God" are they churches of?


Keeping Of Sunday
  
jerry6593:

You (and other Sabbatarians here) are constantly talking about "keeping" the Sabbath, but you interpret this as requiring worship.

Can you show scriptures commanding WORSHIP on Sabbath or FORBIDDING worship on other days? I keep asking this question, yet nobody ever answer it.

I also asked you whether you personally fulfil Biblical Sabbath requirements (no work, commerce, travel, cooking, lighting fires, etc.), Driving to church (or anywhere), grabbing a snack after church, nuking a sandwich, (or to be pedantic, even turning a light switch off or on) are all forbidden. If you can't say "NO" to each and every one of these, you have no business criticizing others for not keeping the Sabbath.


Netflix The Family
  
jerry6593:

The bottom line is this:

*MY* job as a Christian is obey the commandments of God, as *I* understand them.

*YOUR* job as a Christian is to obey the commandments of God as *YOU* understand them. Your job is NOT to condemn others for obeying the commandments of God as *YOU* understand them, and then condemn them if they don't live up to your expectations.


Netflix The Family
  
jerry6593:

You STILL DON'T GET IT. I don't kill people. Thus, I am keeping "Thou shalt not kill". I don't rob people. Thus, I am keeping "Thou shalt not steal". Does it really matter WHY I am not doing those things? Some don't do them because a book tells them not to. Others don't do them because they just KNOW it's wrong - because God's law is written on their heart, so they no longer need the book. This was SPECIFICALLY prophesied in the Bible.

And, AGAIN, Paul SPECIFICALLY TOLD US that WE MUST NOT allow others to judge us with respect to the Sabbath - so I WOULD BE DISOBEYING THE WORD OF GOD if I paid attention to you when you judge me on the Sabbath law.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: The Two Witnesses of Revelation are the Old and New Testaments.

That directly contradicts the plain words of scripture.

Revelation 11:3: They are clothed in sackcloth.
5: They will breathe fire that kills anyone who hurts them.
7: The beast will overcome and kill them.
8: Their dead bodies will lie in the great city where our Lord was crucified.
9: People would mock their bodies 3 and a half days, and not allow them to be buried.
11: After 3 and a half days, the spirit of life will enter them, and they will stand on their feet.
12: A voice from heaven will call them and they will ascend to heaven in a cloud.

These are all things that happen to men, not books.


Netflix The Family
  
jerry6593:

We don't NEED 10C, because if we love God and neighbor, WE ALREADY FOLLOW THEM. If you love your neighbor, you won't lie, kill, still, envy, or commit adultery. You automatically obey them WITHOUT NEEDING TO BE TOLD.

I don't kill people. I don't rob people. Etc.

Trump may not disavow 10C, but I showed how he blatantly violates most of them, and BOASTS about doing so. His comments about going after women (even married ones) are legendary. He boasts in his book that cheating contractors is good business practice.

Jesus said the man who DOES something is better than the one who SAYS he does them, but does not.


Netflix The Family
  
kathr4453:

Yes, exactly! That's one common characteristic of cults. Many that call themselves "Christian" use rhetoric like "the Bible says this, but what God REALLY wants (and I know because He talks to me directly, and I am His Choesn One), is the exact opposite!".

Jim Jones, when he was still in California, before he took his followers to Guyana and convinced them to commit suicide, was known to throw the Bible down on the floor and stomp on it, saying that people should not read it, because it conflicted with what he was teaching. That is a major red flag right there.



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