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Pope Of The Sabbath
  

Monk: "Jerry, First of all, since when is Jesus the creator of a seventy day Sabbath?"

Maybe this will help:

Col 1:14-16 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, ... all things were created by him, and for him:

Heb 1:2 ... by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds,

Jesus IS the Creator!

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


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ax: Strange that you don't consider life in heaven and the new earth as applying to you. Most Christians aspire to that eventuality. Didn't you know that no animals will die there - hence vegetarianism?

Once again, the Fourth Commandment does indeed show love to God. It is His Seal.




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ax: "You must have missed by previous message"

That doesn't even make sense. Perhaps your lack of understanding of the English language helps explain your misinterpretation of the word "shall" in Gen 1:29 as permission rather than a command. Don't you understand that before Noah's flood EVERYONE was a vegetarian, and in the new earth EVERYONE will be vegetarian again?

Didn't you notice that I was addressing Samuel and not you in my previous post? As a SDA, he should understand the importance of vegetarianism in these last days. You, not so much.

Your understanding of the new covenant is equally faulty. If you were under the new covenant, you would have God's 10C Law written in your heart.


Pope Of The Sabbath
  

ax: Read the following CAREFULLY!

Exo 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Note that it says you are to KEEP the 7th day holy, and to work the other six. How do you do these if you are keeping Sunday?

Glory to Jesus Christ, the Creator of the Sabbath day.



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Sam: "I don't believe the Bible says we must be vegetarians. I do believe it is the best of all diets."

Then what do you make of:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.





Pope Of The Sabbath
  


cluny: I've never heard anyone say that the "pope" changed the day, but rather that the "papacy" (office of the pope) did it, and this figuratively as the Catholic Church itself.

Sunday was first officially enforced by the edict of Constantine in 321 AD. Note that this was well before the schism with the Eastern Orthodox in 1054 AD, so that's where you guys got your Sunday.

Thought you'd like to know.


Glory to Jesus Christ, Creator of the Seventy-day Sabbath.





Correct Bible Interpretation
  


cluny: "How about EGW's opinions?"

EGW taught that her's was a lesser light leading to a greater light, and that we should test her writings by the great standard - the Bible - just as the Bereans did.

How about you, cluny? What is your standard? The opinion of men?




How To Protect Family
  


ax: "This is ONLY SDA reading their own theology into this verse."

Of course I disagree with this statement, but it begs the question: From which verse do you read your Sunday observance, particularly when the entire Bible speaks of seventh-day Sabbath observance? Or is your theology based solely on the dictates of the church?




How To Protect Family
  


ax: "Paul said "Let no one judge you with respect to the sabbath"."

NO, HE DIDN'T!

He said:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Note: sabbath days - not THE Sabbath Day. He was talking about the observance of religious festivals.

BTW, you posted this on the wrong blog.




Correct Bible Interpretation
  


Sam: You are so right that many here ignore the plainest texts on a given subject in favor of ones they may think support their unbiblical theories. For example, ax uses Paul's "esteem whatever day you like" statement in an attempt to refute God's own statement to keep the 7th day holy. He obviously doesn't understand that Paul was referring to feast day sabbaths and not the weekly one.

Cluny seems only able to answer questions with questions. He thinks that the lack of a biblical injunction against Sunday worship somehow negates God's designation of the 7th day as the ONLY holy one. Twisted logic!




Correct Bible Interpretation
  


cluny: Do you honestly believe that Thomas and the other apostles kept Sunday in violation of God's Commandment?



ax: You would make Paul a hypocrite by disavowing the Day he kept himself. God commanded the keeping of the Sabbath day. If Paul did attempt to annul God's Commandment, do you think that his opinion trumps God's command?




Correct Bible Interpretation
  


cluny: "jerry, why do ancient Eastern churches, founded by the Apostles (such as in India), have Sunday and NOT Saturday as the main worship day?"

Probably because the Indian Church founded as a Sabbath church by St. Thomas was "converted" (translate: murdered) by the Catholic inquisition in Goa in the 16th century. Do you honestly believe that Thomas and the other apostles kept Sunday in violation of God's Commandment?




Correct Bible Interpretation
  


ax: "Paul said we are not under the law. The Ten Commandments no longer apply to us."

Is that the same Paul that said:

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,


You would make Paul a hypocrite by disavowing the Day he kept himself. God commanded the keeping of the Sabbath day. If Paul did attempt to annul God's Commandment, do you think that his opinion trumps God's command? And, FYI, Love to God includes the Sabbath.




Correct Bible Interpretation
  


ax: "Six days ... is not a REQUIREMENT to work - it's PERMISSION to work."

Good grief! By your logic, "Thou shalt not murder" is permission not to kill rather than a prohibition against it.


"So why do you judge others on the Sabbath, or which days they keep holy?"

I don't judge you. Indeed, I affirm your right to disobey God's Ten Commandments. It is God who will ultimately judge you for it. On the other hand, it is YOU who judge me for obeying God's clear COMMAND to set the seventh day aside for a holy purpose.

And where did you get the idea that holiness depends on YOUR opinion rather than God's? God made the Seventh Day HOLY. Who made Sunday holy? NOBODY!


Correct Bible Interpretation
  


ax: "It does NOT COMMAND anything."

That's just plain nuts! It is a COMMANDMENT - just the same as "thou shalt not murder". It also commands that you WORK the other six days - including SUNDAY!

And where did you get the idea that holiness depends on YOUR opinion rather than God's? God made the Seventh Day HOLY. Who made Sunday holy? NOBODY!

I'll grant that you have the right to disobey God's Ten Commandments - but there will be consequences, especially when you "teach men so" (Mat 5:19).




Correct Bible Interpretation
  


cluny: "The Gentiles were never bound to Sabbath observance."

Is this found in First Cluny 1:1?

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Aren't Gentiles men? Weren't there Gentiles present among the mixed multitude at the giving of the Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai?



ax: "There is no indication anywhere in the Bible from Genesis 1 up until Exodus 20:7 that WE were commanded to keep the Sabbath."

How about:

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

You're such a scholar!





Was Hitler Left Or Right
  


Hitler was a murderous, Jew-hating, LEFTIST, SOCIALIST. He had much in common with today's Democrat Party.





Christian To Be President
  


Cluny: Almost. It was Jesus who wrote the Ten Commandments in stone.


As to the blog question, No, the president does not have to be a Christian. Obama the Muslim proved that.




Canada Hate Bill For Speech
  


cluny: "jerry, are you aware that Samuel is also SDA?"

Yes, I am very much aware of it. It is upsetting to me that any SDA (or any Christian for that matter) is a Democrat. Do you have any Democrats in your Orthodox church?





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