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Can Satan Be Forgiven
  

kathr said, "John you are taking Ephesians 2:1-2 out of context....."

So are you now saying Paul under the direction of the Holy Spirit is wrong to???

Listen to im again:



2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So now for the fourth time Can a dead man choose yes or no?

BTw, 1 Cor 15 has nothing to do with Eph 2...


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  

kathr said, "Jesus died for our sin so we could be reconciled to God. But it's OUR responsibility to want reconciliation. It's available to all, but not all will choose."

But Paul says this is false doctrine dead people cant choose Eph 2:1-5 Rom 3:10-12.

Also, Jesus came to save his people from their sins so if any are in hell he didn't die for them

See, Matt 1:21, Jn 19:30, Jn 6:37-39, Jn 10:26-29.


Predestined For Hell
  
strongaxe:

1. Thank you for admitting that Matt 7:13-23 doesn't support your assertion that billions will be loss as you have been asserting.

2. The verses in further contradict your assertion that billions will be loss since those verses you cited that many a multitude and countless reference the elect it contradicts you because it states that if I use your logic billions will be saved...

3. You did state prior that Calvinists believe billions will be loss but now you have no support your renouncing that claim and thank you for honesty...


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  

Kathr:

The Scriptures you cite I agree but remember your the one who said that God didn't elect Israel and I said to you that God elected Israel.

You cited Isa 1:18 to try to rebut my statement but that is written already to a people already elected to which you agreed with me.
Isa 1:18 doesn't disprooved what Paul stated in Eph 2:1-2 that sinners are dead a question you refused to answer when I asked you...


Predestined For Hell
  

js1234:
You cited Col 1:18-20 in your assertion that satan will be forgiven, but Paul inspired of the Holy Spirit tells you who he is talking about in vs 21-23

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister,


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  

Kathr:

Your assertion that sinners are not dead in their sins violates Holy Scripture Jn 3:36, Eph 2:1-2, 4-6.


Predestined For Hell
  

strongaxe:

1. Let me know if you need help remembering I have in the past post and can do again...

2. Many and few in Matt 7:13-23 is referring to behavior/action not billion as you have been asserting.

3. there are verses that describe the elect Rev 3:19,5:11, 19, etc.
This contradicts your assertion because now I can conclude that billions will be saved

do you see your inconsistency???


Predestined For Hell
  

strongaxe:

I challenge you before all show from the London Baptist Confession of 1689 where it is stated that Calvinists believe and teach that billions of sinners will be loss?


Predestined For Hell
  

Kathr said, "So your idea of elect and Gods is two entirely different things."

Not according to Deut 7:6 and Ps. 147:20 You might want to read Deut 7:6 and Ps 147:20 and when you do we can talk further lol

You also contradict yourself and agree with me you said, "Israel Gods elect people out of all the peoples of the world were His Chosen, to be a light to the Nations....."


Predestined For Hell
  

Kathr said, "John says God lied and believes man who is Dead can't reason. Who do YOU believe..."

Hey Kathr I didn't write Eph 2:1-2 I wasn't around lol

I see you cant answer the question I asked you 3 times based upon Eph 2:1-2

You go bring up Isaiah who is talking to a people who are already elected that you agree me me :-)
Isa 1:18

Also, if the wIf Jesus died for the whole world everyone would be saved and no would be in hell right now...


Predestined For Hell
  
strongaxe:

1. Your World View is explicitly clear obviously you seem to have a short memory and others here don't pay attention to what you write...

2. You are incorrect in asserting actual numbers in Jesus's Mouth as well as what Calvinists believe...

3. Scripture is written in Greek and Hebrew not English Math and the context of Matt 7:13-23 calls you a liar...

4. Other places in Scripture like Revelation has the elect as many so now you see your not listening to Jesus...

5. You also assert that sinners are innocent that Jesus contradicts...


Predestined For Hell
  

js1234 said, "
If He wills it, it will happen. If people don't want to believe it, that's up to them."

What God said through the apostle is one thing understanding what God said through Paul is another thing. 1 Tim 2:4 is only truly understood in context 1 Tim 2:1-5.

Sir, your isolating verses outside of their context this is how you come up with the heresy that satan will be forgiven???



Predestined For Hell
  


Kathr:

Paul by the Spirit of God says otherwise about the condition of sinners:

Listen:

2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So, my question to you again can a dead man choose third time asking you???

Isa 1:18 was to a people who were already elect not elect also God was calling them back to there duty not their ability.

Also, please read Rom 3:10-12 before Rom 6:8?


Predestined For Hell
  

Strongaxe:

I bring up your World View because it presents a conundrum for you because since you don't believe that the bible is no different then any other religious books and that Jesus and the apostles really didn't write it you cant consistently dialog/debate me.

You see, I certain and confident that the bible is Theopneustos, your not i'm not raising this to be nasty to you but with hopes you will realize your error and repent. I actually find you interesting out of all others here and appreciate your logical philosophical approach i'm just challenging you to be consistent...


Peace,


John9346


Predestined For Hell
  
Strongaxe:

I urge you my friend to let the Lord Jesus explain to you his own words and not you attempting to tell him what he actually meant (yes you said it Jesus but you really don't know what your talking about)

I know your World View will not allow you to do so but read in context verses 13-23 and tell me where is a billion or any numbers mentioned for the elect???

Praying for you,

God Bless,


Predestined For Hell
  

kathr said, "You all also claim faith is forced on one as well."


Kathr, according to Eph 2:1-2

Again, my questions to you are

Kathr, if someone brings a dead person back to life is that force yes or no?

Can people who are dead choose yes or no?
ReadEph2:1-6. Paul tells you.


Predestined For Hell
  

kathr said, "You all also claim faith is forced on one as well."


Kathr, according to Eph 2:1-2

Again, my questions to you are

Kathr, if someone brings a dead person back to life is that force yes or no?

Can people who are dead choose yes or no?
ReadEph2:1-6. Paul tells you.



Its interesting how Kathr and strongaxe are trying to engage in personal attacks since they realize Scripture is ripping their faulty assertions apart lol


Predestined For Hell
  

js1234 said, "
john9346, yes, everyone will be saved. That's what God wills and whatever God wills, will happen. It is as simple as that, and it's a very wonderful thing!"


Sir, show everyone here from the Scriptures where Jesus and his apostles taught this?? Just saying something doesn't make it true no matter how many times you repeat it...


Predestined For Hell
  
strongaxe:

Matt 7:14 is addressing the contrasting and comparison of the availability of behavior/sin not numbers because rev 7 and 5 shows many who are actually of the elect.

Now you just shown how you cant support your assertions of billions and Scripture teach no such thing.



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