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Baptism In The Epistles
To say that we are cleansed with the blood of Christ, but Jews are cleansed with water is confusing to me as well. Blood sacrifice for sin and cleansing began with Cain and Abel, not the HYERDISPENSATIONALIST so called church. Jesus was the complete fulfillment of what Abel did by FAITH , looking forward to,the promised redeemer.

Yes there is only one MEANING TO baptism, IDENTIFICATION WITH JESUS DEATH AND RESURRECTION, just as it states in Peter...NOT THE WASHING AWAY OF THE SIN OF THE FLESH, ...even Peter knew it meant identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. I would absolutely do it AGAIN. As MY BAPTISM with water was my personal testimony of Romans 6.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Scripture is very clear about SALVATION! It tells us exactly how to be saved. Romans 1-2 speak about righteous living vs godless living, BUT the word SAVED is not used. Somehow many confuse the two. When verses specifically talk about SALVATION, ETERNAL LIFE etc, it's THE FIRST STEP,...and what follows after we are saved is RIGHTEOUS LIVING. Just as Ephesians 2:6-10 specifically verse 10 CLEARLY SHOW our works IN CHRIST , NOT OUR OWN WORKS, IT ALSO SHOWS righteous living come AFTER WE ARE SAVED, NOT IN ORDER TO GET SAVED. There's no THEORY HERE, and any suggestion that it is is HERESY, or ignorance. This IS Paul,building on Jesus words.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
David, I'll bet even posting rather than asking you to look up, you still will willfully refuse to either read or believe. You either believe it or not. I'm not going to force feed you..and then watch you spit it out like a rebellious child.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

That's me defined above David. I don't apologize for it either.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
Here's the bottom line I'm seeing, that also correlate with 2Timothy 3 and end times...where we see love waxing cold described in detail in 2 Timothy 3. Examples flow down from the top. Any group now, who has the same mindset as our President...( they're out to get me mentality) will follow his example of thumbing their nose at the laws that govern. Take any particular group who feel persecuted....and feel wrongly accused, then follow in Trumps mindset as though this is the way ....leaves nothing but rebellion and chaos everywhere. I see this as the very axis of evil...

We have laws in our country and no president is above the law. We do not have Kings, or Dictators in matter how deranged one might think they are.

Baptism Spiritual Effects
So actually David, God is my FATHER, as I also showed in those many scripture you probably will ignore. However it would behoove you to look up every one and pray on each one.

It's funny how you say it has to be something Jesus taught , then argue against what Jesus taught.

It's obvious David you have a grudge on your shoulder, continually opposing every verse of truth ...and adding your own twisted interpretation of something never said..but possibly something your Mormon Church teaches against Christians, placing yourselves superior, by some false premise.....not very clever. But something SATAN loves doing.

Now show me where Protestants believe your twisted idea of our being sons and heirs?

Baptism Spiritual Effects
One thing I've noticed here that is a contrast between the law keepers and those of the Grace Keepers.

The Law Keepers are those who put their efforts on man loving God. The Grace Keepers are those who proclaim the LOVE OF GOD to man.

Romans 5, Ephesians 3 just to name a couple places...but John 3:16....for God so loved HE GAVE. You see, PRIDE cannot accept this love. PRIDE feels it must earn it.....GRACE however knows it cannot earn Gods love, but simply receive it through His Son, Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-10 .

God's Grace On Noah
That was addressed to David...not Cluny. David, making up things not in scripture is what Gnosticism is....believing you have some special knowledge no one else has. No one teaches this..except perhaps the Gnostic MORMONS.

IRS Tax Exempt Satanic Temple
It's not surprising to see Cluny and Nicole deny the FACT of suicide and Childhood sexual abuse. We already KNOW that even in the RCC with Pediofiles, that the suicide rate is high of those abused, and those still alive STILL SUFFER TRAUMA.

In the OT these fathers, brothers , priests, uncles etc were STONED TO DEATH. RAPISTS WERE ALSO STONED TO DEATH. Today that is not the case.

I believe the LIFE already here is important, and should not be treated like a puppy mill, handmaiden tale piece of meat. And that PROTESTANT Churches need to push back on this RCC total control of this situation.

God's Grace On Noah
David, I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent my beliefs. Makes me wonder if you ever really read anything I've said, or if you just get some kick out of misrepresenting just to make your own point. YOU stated God saves who He wants. Is that not arbitrary selection? I questioned you on this before and stated my belief only to be rebuked by our online Calvinist...that YOU agreed with.

I don't like the games David.

Stop Arresting Criminals

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone,

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: ....

Where I Was Saved
Melody, who exactly are you going to report me to? Putin? You keep busting in after saying goodbye and the saying don't talk to me again or I will report you? Are you mental or just childish? You obviously are aching for a confrontation just by your post here.

I explained to you that paradise at the time before Jesus resurrection was NOT the Holy of Holies. If you had a teachable spirit I would explain it to you, but your pride and arrogance is Standing in the way. Yes, the thief was with Jesus THAT DAY in Paradise. THAT DAY with the next 2 days. Where was Jesus for 3 days? AND He told Mary after He had risen from the dead not to touch Him WHY????? John 20:17 is your answer.

Might Have Autism
John's view opposes these verses, showing his own world view.

Philippians 3:17-19
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Paul nor Jesus got involved in worldly politics.

Stop Arresting Criminals
However David, these works of faith we do after we are saved will be judged at the judgement seat of Christ...not the great white throne judgement. We may have loss of rewards but not loss of salvation. Please know the difference between these two judgements.

We're not saved by our works of faith David. But every true Born Again Christian WILL have works of faith. Some more than others. Some will produce more fruit than others, but we are not saved by how much fruit we produce. We are saved by Faith in What Jesus did...not what we do.

Might Have Autism
Also Putin totally controls the Russian Orthodox Church, ( look it up) and we know how they feel about the LGBT. And how Putin will use the Russian Orthodox Church to execute its inquisition and unleash this unholy alliance that I bet Melody would love to see happen here. That was her first post here out of the gate.

This IS anti_Christ , as NO WHERE in scripture is the BOC, the CHURCH asked to unleash the wrath of God in and of themselves without the very presence of the Lord leading the charge at His Second Coming. And many will be deceived and worship this IMPOSTER .....

The woman who rides the BEAST aka the anti_Christ IS apostate Christianity in politics. COME OUT FROM AMONG HER....

Where I Was Saved
I totally agree with these verses, but these verses are not teaching Calvinism.

Romans 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Why Confess Your Sins
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

What David fails to see is this describes how The Mormons use to have a statue of Cain offering wheat at the entrance of their Salt Lake City Temple, until David Hunt pointed out in a book God rejected Cain's offering. And it was removed, I guess out of embarrassment. Balaam's sin was being hired to Curse Gods Chosen People. Bad move.

It's a shame how his false church has filled him with so much hate towards those saved by GRACE..which is the CROSS. Any other teaching on grace is perverting the GRACE of God. Again, as Jude states. Clouds without water.

Where Did Jesus Come From
David, I've noticed a change in your blogs and attitude towards sin since there was a discussion that sodomy is a sin. What should we all read into that? And to even drop such seeds of suspect.....falsely accusing someone based on ones overactive imagination...what should we say about that? And then you go foaming at the mouth in rage over suggesting you have unresolved issues...what should we all make of that?

REPENT DAVID! You've been exposed as to how you create discord by pretending to be what...concerned with an overactive imagination you create and then act spiritual? Hardly. It's how women gossip and use their supposed concern to trash other women. Nothing new.

Who Loves God
Also, Melody, there are some on here who are not right in the head. That's again not your place to condemn.

Good Works For Salvation
Michael_e, your questions can be debated until the cows come home, and still proves nothing. YOU SAY, the death and resurrection was the mystery that was not revealed until after Jesus rose from the dead and revealed to Paul. Yet in the Gospels, Jesus told of His death and resurrection. You also say they the Gospels fulfilled OT Prophecy...yet Jesus speaking of His death and resurrection had not been fulfilled yet. And Matthew 24_25 have not been fulfilled.

You are all over the place making excuse after excuse when clearly shown scripture you refuse to study.

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