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I see no proof in scripture that everyone was a vegetarian , I guess you mean before the flood. That speculation is based on SDA beliefs, as no one else I know believes such a thing.

Also "dead meat" isn't what covered sin, Hebrews 10 .

As today , we are Justified by His Blood and SAVED BY HIS RISEN LIFE.

I also can't imaging the RCC believe they are eating "dead meat" at Mass.

The "dead meat" comment is strange. What's up with that? Sins were not "covered" in the OT by eating "dead meat" or even eating the meat. The BLOOD COVERED.


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JS1234 / Nicole, Hebrews and Leviticus, show blood sacrifice , some verses referred to as sacrifice and other verses as offering. We see Job, making an offering or sacrifice FOR THE SINS OF HIS SONS. No details about the fat or burnt this or that. But we know it wasn't a wheat offering. Also the very first sacrifice in scripture is Genesis 3:20-21.

Hebrews and Leviticus are very clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness/covering of sin. And EVERYTHING was sprinkled with blood ..Hebrews 9:21-22.

TODAY Christ Blood alone was shed for our sin.

Nicole, also James parallels Abrahams faith with works or evidence of his faith, with the sacrifice of Isaac...which God provided a ram in Isaac's place.


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So there ya go Nicole. God said of Cain's sacrifice.....WORKS WERE EVIL. Again we have 3 different places on scripture testifying about Cain's EVIL WORKS. This is why it is important having scripture teach scripture and not just one verse anyone can self interpret to say what they want it to.

Nicole, I have no clue what your post is about....sounds off the chain.


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Hebrews 11:

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

God is STILL SPEAKING ABOUT ABELS SACRIFICE. and He's still speaking about Cains too.

Cain did Not even after a second chance offer a more acceptable one did he? This was no guessing game. Without the shedding of blood there is no.forgiveness of sin. WHAT? Did you all think animal sacrifice began with Moses and the Law? WRONG


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Strongaxe, I agree. Cain also thought he was doing a great thing by offering a bloodless sacrifice, and God rejected his offering. Cain was so jealous of Abel because God accepted his, that he ended up murdering his brother, the EXACT SAME ENVY the Pharisees had in their heart when they murdered Jesus. Abel's sacrifice was saying he acknowledged he was a sinner, Cain's was the opposite , trying to win God's favor by self effort. Which is Matthew 16....warning " be careful of the LEAVEN OF THE PHSRISEES" which is the beginning of Romans 10, and where and WHY they failed.


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STRONGS G591 - apodidomi ....this is the ORIGINAL WORD The EXACT SAME WORD, the ORIGINAL WORD, used for "REWARD" and is the same in Matthew 16 and 2 Timothy 4:14.

SO using a different translation isn't the final say...but the ORIGINAL is the final say. So if 2 Timothy 4:14 REWARD means to repay, so does Matthew 16.

That's why I say it's important to KNOW even the basics on how to read the Bible. Our English just isn't all that compared to the original. Same as the word "wait" or "love" ....all Greek or Hebrew having many meanings, with many DIFFERENT WORDS where we USE ONE WORD , and many think that one word means only one thing WRONG.


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Barb, great point. I agree

Nicole, get a STRONGS CONCORDANCE, or you can also just go to an online Bible, and type in the word WORKS and REWARD. Go all the way back to Genesis. I believe you will find both words, works and rewards God uses as both good and bad. I also believe reading the context of Matthew 16 it is in keeping with that as well. I also believe scripture teaches scripture, and we have multitudes of examples ( I only posted 2 out of MANY) where it doesn't mean rainbows and moonbeams. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Even the verse " haven't we done many wonderful WORKS in your name" and Jesus will say " I NEVER KNEW YOU" Matthew 7:21-23. Is no guarantee for a GOOD reward.


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I hate to rain on your parade, BUT, We can see from Jesus own lips, as well as Pauls, that the Jews , knowing their own scriptures and how God often referred to one's "works" as EVIL WORKS, and being rewarded for their evil, called WORKS Paul understood as well.
So no , don't think being rewarded for your works is something to look forward to, or only has one meaning. Jesus Christ alone should be our great reward. Plus OUR reward is in heaven...Matthew 5:12. Luke 6:23., not here on earth.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you, but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.


2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:


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David, there are probably 1001 different so called churches who say THEY preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, like the JW's or Mormons etc...they all say they do.

Any church who denies salvation is THROUGH THE CROSS aka THROUGH CHRIST, who died for our sin, and rose again for our justification IS A CULT. Since David you keep arguing with me over this point, I accept your acknowledging you are a cult. FINALLY! Now let's move on.


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Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge, I will repay," says the LORD. 20On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

David, This is about NOT taking revenge, Like TRUMP DOES EVERY DAY, you have no problem with.

Evil/sin "within us" is dealt with by being crucified with Christ...AS THE GOSPEL OF GRACE TEACHES CLEARLY IN ROMANS 5-8. Don't you know Romans 5-8 IS THE GOSPEL OF GRACE, AND WHY Jesus died and rose again?


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Monk I already gave the CORRECT definition of Gnosticism.

Also you may want to refresh yourself in Ephesians 1:17, Colossians 1:9, Colossians 2:3, Proverbs 9:10 Proverbs 1:7 just to name a few places that REFUTE YOUR DEFINITION.

It's something GOD GIVES .

Let's remember. With the RCC who alone believe God only gives to POPES who then pass down to the little people..IS A CULT, would resent God Himself giving to the little people WITHOUT the Pope or priest. So you BULLY and intimidate and execute as with inquisitions all true Christians who didn't have to go through the RCC first.. I know where your coming from Monk and Cluny. NOT HAVING IT.


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David, you put scripture but that verse does not say love KILLS evil within us. Your imagination says it does, because your imagination wants it to, denying the CROSS, like you continually do. "Perfect love casts out fear " so says John in 1John, but even John never says perfect love KILLS evil within.

David, you simply deny the GOSPEL and use OT scriptures before anyone except Kings Prophets and Priests who had the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Also those in Israel who truly Loved God were already the faithful ones. Of coarse they would hate evil.

Cluny, sorry but your "broad stroke" defining Gnosticism is wrong. Gnostics believed the world was created by a lesser Divine spirit....etc....


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Cluny, Gnosticism is not having knowledge of God. As a matter of fact read Romans 1:20 says that just looking around at Gods creation revealed GOD. Also Romans 1: 18-27 show what happened to many before the flood. Yet Noah, Enoch, Seth ETC stayed firm in their beliefs. There was no scriptures at that time, so NO, knowledge of God is not Gnosticism. We are the exact same humans today.

Please study Gnosticism before making false statements.

The ISSUE is men do not believe Jesus Christ is GOD....who died for our sin and rose again for our justification. the Gospel was first revealed in Genesis 3:15


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FAITH COMES BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD. Gods WORD takes the initiative, we respond to the Word, just as we see in the beginning if ACTS , the Apostles preached Jesus Christ, who died and rose again for the forgivness of SIN, ....and it appears that day over 3000 believed and were added to the Church. We see Philip talking to the Eunuch, where the Eunuch was reading from Isaian 53 asking...WHO ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT, whereby Philip tells him, Jesus is who that chapter is about...and more fully explains the GOSPEl. Which the GOSPEL is 1Cor 15:1-4. Jesus Christ who died for our sin and rose again for our justification. BELIEVING IS OBEYING, leading to salvation.

So NO, Cluny and Nicole's twist on their version of Calvinism is WRONG.


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I guess my last post didn't make it. Oh well.

I posted Romans 16:25-27 for David. That's my final answer to him re his question to me.

For Cluny and Nicole, having your own definition of Grace, it would appear that every single baby is saved by Gods Grace, since God is not a REPSECTOR of persons, and babies can't choose, or exercise faith. So you both either believe in universalism, OR you believe ONLY babies who are baptized are saved.

I see no scripture that supports your theory.....and find it hard David agrees with that since he believes one must demonstrate works with faith...of which infants can do neither.

You are FREE to make up your own beliefs.....and I will stand by the Word of God.


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---Nicole_Lacey on 7/5/19

A baby can't accept His Gift. The Parents are doing something first, not God. Totally nuts. We see Cornelius and family. Cornelius prayed, being a religious man not knowing the way to salvation,...GOD THEN sends an Angel to tell Peter to go to Cornelius home to proclaim the way of salvation, Corneluis and family HEAR THE GOSPEL, believe AND THEN the Holy Spirit comes into them, and THEN after..they are baptized.

I believe GOD KNOWS who is seeking after Him, and is a rewarded of those who SEEK HIM, just as Cornelius and family did. Paul preached, people HEARD THE GOSPEL, some believed, some did not.

This is GODS WORD and way, how one is saved.....not the RCC's way.


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Samuel, the law of Moses was animal sacrifice, the old priesthood, 613 + laws, not just the 10 Commandments that does in fact show us we are all sinners. The Law of Moses was also Prophecy concerning Jesus Christ, as Hebrews shows EVERYTHING God gave Moses to build RE the Tabernacle in the wilderness was a pattern of things in Heaven, and pointed to Jesus Christ, just as the Sabbath Rest did, fulfilled IN CHRIST...Hebrews 3-4.

But the Law, in that it was weak through the Flesh, ..Romans 8:3 was my point. And Galatians 2:20-21 again confirm and support Romans 8. The Law is NOT OF GRACE, (Gal 3) support falling from Grace is going back to live under the law..or going back and living in the flesh...after having begun in the Spirit.


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Acts 20:24 The Gospel of the Grace of God was given to Paul to PREACH. Romans 10:9-10 says, If you believe in your heart God raised Christ from the Dead you are saved.... In the Beginning of Acts...HOW SHALL WE BE SAVED. Ans: REPENT AND BELIEVE. Nothing about ..."and then maybe youll catch the eye of God and Walla find yourself saved..

You speak out of both sides of your mouth. One post you say God chooses,the next say man has to do something first (APART FROM FAITH) to earn Gods favor you call GRACE. This is NOT the definition of GRACE.

You say alot David, but have no scriptures to back up most of your own ideas. You preach your own personal experience, and think everyone MUST have that EXACT same experience. WRONG.


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Colossians 1: 8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God,
11 Strengthened
with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness,

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12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

SOUNDS like it's more what the Lord has done for us. PRAISE GOD FOR ALL THE THINGS HE HAS DONE. This is GRACE VERSES WORKS.


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LOVE is the fruit of the Spirit, Galatians 5,22-25, that only come via being crucified with Christ. No one can crucify themselves. We bear fruit, some 30 some 70 and some 100, but the Fruit of the Spirit is the Holy Spirit working through you. And no scripture says those who produce the most fruit God will favor MORE than other Christians who produce less whereby He will favor you with His GRACE

So if we are already no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit..."no longer" is referring to those crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE who are now in the Spirit and no longer seen after the flesh, so says Romans 8, we are already CHOSEN IN HIM, and don't have to preform to be chosen again.



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