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Finish It Here June 2019
john934* Listen to him:

"" For even creation revels Him who formed it... The Universal Church, moreover, through the whole world, has received this tradition from the Apostles...SINCERELY Irenaeus

" But continue thou' as St Paul says ' in those things which tho has learned..hold fast the faith ...establishing the tradition of the church as a foundation.. yours truly Cyril

Finish It Here June 2019
john9346* reuben:

Irenaeus could write this because those who would reject are rejecting the tradition that for Irenaeus was Scripture.

Irenaeus believed in baptismal regeneration infant baptism the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist the Mass as a sacrifice.


What did Cyril tell you to do about his teachings?

john934* Listen to him:

"" Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures...

We give thanks to God, the Saviour of the world, rejoicing with one another that our Churches , both ours and yours, hold a faith in accordance with the divinely inspired Scriptures and with the tradition of our holy Fathers.

Finish It Here June 2019

Church Father Irenaeus said, ""We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."
---john9346 on 6/29/19

He continue on the next chapter

But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, and which is preserved by the means of the successions of presbyters in the churches, they object to tradition, saying that they themselves are wiser not merely than presbyters, but even than the apostles...

Finish It Here June 2019
Church Father Cyril of Jerusalem said, "" Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures."
---john9346 on 6/29/19

Really John- If you are claiming that he taught Sola Scriptura then you have a huge problem, his Catechetical Lectures are filled with teaching on the Mass as a sacrifice, prayers for the dead,the Real presence 0f Christ in the Eucharist and a whole array of specifically Catholic doctrines which YOU claim Scriptures does not contain!

Baptism In The Epistles
Inasmuch as Jesus was God, he had no mother, because he WAS before she was even born, even before her ancestor Abraham, i.e. "Before Abraham was, I AM". Mothers are ALWAYS born before their children.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/19

Then please explain to me when scripture says Mary the mother of Jesus. While at it pls tell me why Jesus would have brothers( which you claim he does) if he had no Mother?

Are You Truly Saved
john9346* In the verses pertaining parables you raised you must show that they are prescriptive in order to refute The Sinner's Ability to choose or reject The Almighty God??

Jesus did! "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you, because they believed in John and repented while the Pharisees did not! The same which all of the Parables!

No John you MUST prove that they did not have the ability to choose.

john9346*On a Previous Posting you agreed that the Prodigal son is descriptive are now contradicting yourself??

My bad, sometimes you have to remember who are you dealing with, still waiting for your fallible man-made interpretation of the podigal Son:)

Are You Truly Saved
The tax collectors and prostitutes on the parable of the two son in Matt 21:31"Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you, because they believed in John and repented while the Pharisees did not!

A parable has a meaning as Jesus explained to his Apostles about the story of the the sower in Mk 4:10-12 and the Pharisees know he was talking about them in the parable of the wicked tenants.Remember you believe in sola scriptura but when it hits where it counts, you need to come up with a word like it is a //"Prescriptive." but "Descriptive."/// So tell me in your own words about the Prodigal son.

Are You Truly Saved

--john9346 *Sinners are Spirtually Dead

The podigal son parable is a great example of someone spiritually dead "But when he came to himself he said..(Here he realized he had hit rock bottom)...Then he repented and said "Father(GOD)I have sinned against Heaven and before you, I am no longer worthy to be called your son.The Father(GOD) said lets celebrate and said " For this son of mine was DEAD, and is alive again, he was LOST and is found." LK 15: 11-32

--john9346 * a police officer has a duty to stop a robbery but if he doesn't have a gun he doesn't have the ability to stop the robbery...

But does have the ability to call for back-up, He can like the sinner choose to stand still or make a move!

Apostles Write About Jesus
Be informed that the Church Fathers themselves believed, taught, and defended "Sola Scriptura."

If the church fathers were reading your responses right now they would label you a heretic...
---john9346 on 1/27/19

No they did not and if they read your response they would tell you that is not true!

Are You Truly Saved
david said, "God saves those he favors, those who find themselves in Gods Grace.
How do we get into the Grace of God. It all starts with believing and acting on what Jesus taught in his Gospel. (John 14:21-23)."

///So you HAVE to believe and to act on his teaching to be in God's grace, he does not do it for you, you must react!///

Explain Luke 1:26-28
As I explained to Ruben earlier in this blog, that verse along with the one he mentioned, is explained here "For he [Jesus] must reign, till (heos) he hath put all enemies under his feet...And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all, in all." 1Co 15:25,28
---josef on 12/21/18
---josef on 1/18/19

But where in Matthew 1:18-25 does it say Mary had other children?

If Mary had other children Lk 2:41-45 when they realized he was missing, they ask every one about him except his so-call brothers and sisters?

Explain Luke 1:26-28

I's not what some believe - but what comes from GOD'S WORD AS TRUTH,

Read Mark 3:31 thru 35: "There came then, this brethren and his mother, and standing without, sent unto HIM, calling HIM".

---Melody on 1/15/19

Romans 1:13 13 I want you to know, brethren, that I have often intended to come to you ..

The term brethren is used here. So it has a larger meaning than just blood brothers.

Remember, (I's not what some believe - but what comes from GOD'S WORD AS TRUTH,)

("But other of the apostles, saw I none, save James THE LORD'S brother". Galatians 1:19
---Melody on 1/16/19

Which Apostles of the two listed is this James?

Explain Acts 8:37
john9346 * But who were the Oracles of God entrusted to??

To the same people that rejected he Messiah!

john9346 *.

Also, he goes on to say in vs 3 that it shouldn't be believed because its not in The Holy Scriptures that if believed Maccabees was Scripture he wouldn't have made this statement because it would contradict...

John read it slowly, he said "even if it were" not that they were not!

"The whole canon of the Scriptures, however, is contained in these books: the five of Moses . . . and one book of Joshua...such as Job and Tobit and Esther and Judith and the two books of Maccabees(Christian Instruction 2:8:13 [A.D. 397]).

Explain Acts 8:37
"The Jews do not have this Scripture which is called Maccabees, as they do the law and the prophets, to which the Lord bears testimony as to his witnesses."

---john9346 on 1/6/19

The Jews also rejected the Messiah,

Augustine - "We read in the books of the Maccabees [2 Macc. 12:43] that sacrifice was offered for the dead. But even if it were found nowhere in the Old Testament writings, the authority of the Catholic Church which is clear on this point is of no small weight, where in the prayers of the priest poured forth to the Lord God at his altar the commendation of the dead has its place" (The Care to be Had for the Dead 1:3 [A.D. 421]).

Explain Acts 8:37
Jerome, Origen, and Augustine all attested that the Jews rejected the apocrypha as not being "Divinely Authoritative.

---john9346 on 1/1/19

On the Church Fathers about the apocrypha.

Origen said "As it is written" on the book of Tobit(12:7)-Origen, Against Celsus, 5:19(A.D. 248),in ANF,IV:551.

Jerome wrote-Does not the SCRIPTURE say: 'Burden not thyself above thy power' [SIRACH 13:2] Jerome, To Eustochium, Epistle 108 (A.D. 404), in NPNF2, VI:207

Even the bible you hold quotes the books you do not have:

James 1:19 Know this, my beloved brethren. Let every man be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger, life.

Sirach 5:11: Be quick to hear, and be deliberate in answering.

Explain Luke 1:26-28
StrongAxe 8 because it is necessary to do so to justify keeping Mary perpetually a virgin,

The Angel told her she will conceived in the future, Mary words tells us her intentions was to remain a virgin.

StrongAxe8 * but you must also remember that the PRIMARY meaning of brother is still "another child of the same parents",

When Joseph and Mary lost Jesus, nowhere does scripture say they ask his so-called brothers and sisters!Lk 3

StrongAxe* That is just Catholic tradition

John Calvin and others non-catholic believe she had no other Children.

Explain Luke 1:26-28
josef* What does that have to do with Mary remaining a virgin?

Once she understood .'

josef* Mat 1:25 reads as it reads.

So does 2 Sam 6:23-Matt 22:44 and 1 Tim 4: 13

josef* (Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman.)

And Mary being a woman and Jewish, would know how right?

When the Angel told her IN THE FUTURE you will conceived a child, Mary would had said ,Great, Wonderful and Awesome, ask your wife how would she response given a future event?

josef* It is written, Jesus had brothers. Mat 12:46.

I will say this,

The word 'brothers' is use in a larger sense, one example is Gen 14:14 . Lot is called the brother of Abraham but is his nephew.

Explain Luke 1:26-28
josef* Ruben, your last post made absolutely no sense to me. Will you clarify? I will ask you again, how are you defining the word 'till' as used in Mat 1:18

The scripture tells only up to 25 she had borne a son, Nothing after!

josef * "So Michal, the daughter of Saul, remained childless throughout her entire life." That's the way I read it.

Concerning the word 'to'

"teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, TO the close of the age." MT 28:20

After the age to come , he will no longer be with us, according to your logic.

Explain Luke 1:26-28
"...he can no longer sit in his right hand." What would bring you to this conclusion Reuben? How would you define till? The same principle is referenced and explained here, "For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet..." 1Co 15:25,28
---josef on 12/21/18


It is the same principle you are using on Lk 1:35.

2 Samuel 6:23 " And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death."

How are you defining "untill?

Did she all of the sudden had children after her death, according to you it is Yes?

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