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Loved Ones Are In Hell
Cluny, eternal AKA EVERLASTING, ( used interchangeably in scripture) doesn't always mean it equates to God. I have been given eternal life IN CHRIST, but I'm not God. Hell had a beginning, as well as Angels and man, yet Matthew says its everlasting. Angels can't die. The human soul cannot die we have everlasting torment, or everlasting life. If one is temporary so is the other.

So try again yourself Cluny. The NONBIBLICAL PERGETORY does not exist so if that's what you are's a man made up doctrine.

Pope Of The Sabbath

Leviticus 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

WOW keeping a FEAST for 7 days certainly broke the "rest" rule. And WOW LOOK, "GOD" CHANGED THE SABBATH DAY HERE TO SUNDAY. ( if thats what they called it...SUN-day....that horrible day where pagans worship the sun- DAY. WOW, so,the pagans destroyed one of the days GOD MADE, and now we have to throw that day away day?

I'll bet most of you have never read the Bible have you?

Predestined For Hell
So the answer is NO, no one was predestined to be saved or lost. The CHURCH was predestined, a mystery kept secret, but now revealed. Salvation was never a mystery kept secret. Jesus death and resurrection was never a mystery kept secret. Hell was never a mystery kept secret, THE CHURCH was/ is that Mystery kept secret, now revealed. The CHURCH, a whole NEW CREATURE, is the BOC, HIS BODY, baptized into His death, and raised up together with Him, joint heirs with Christ...never ever promised to earthly Israel.

WE HAVE A HIGH CALLING. Right here, right now, being conformed to His image right now, through the fellowship of His sufferings.

Loved Ones Are In Hell
Barb, actually hell was first made for the Angels who cannot be obliterated because they are eternal spirit beings. And hell is an "everlasting punishment". Matthew 25:46. So if everlasting punishment is temporary, so is everything else that says everlasting. You can't change the definition of a word just because you feel like it.
No scripture says eternal punishment is only temporary.

Pope Of The Sabbath
There is no such thing as CHANGING the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Saturday or the 7th day will ALWAYS BE THE SABBATH DAY. Sunday is the FIRST DAY, and we see in the OT was also called the 8th day, also a Holy Day, which may also have pointed to the day Jesus rose from the dead. 8 means NEW BEGINNINGS.


But this we know, Jesus was still in the grave on the sabbath day. Why would anyone TODAY want to worship on a day Jesus was still in the Grave. We CELEBRATE the 8th day, or the 1st day after the 7 with Jesus VICTORY OVER DEATH which is the 8th day, OR the first day of the week, aka The Lords Day. THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD HAS MADE, we will REJOICE AND BE GLAD IN IT.

Predestined For Hell
Here are two supporting scriptures for Romans 8:29

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:24-27 show the CHURCH as that MYSTERY kept secret. Salvation itself was never a secret.

Hebrews 12:23

1)To the general assembly ...aka the Angels

2)and church of the firstborn, (the BOC) **see Colossians 1:18 **which are written in heaven,

3) and to God the Judge of all,

4) and to the spirits of just men made perfect, aka OT SAVED

AND means in addition to As we see from The verses above and not just another name for.

Jesus Action Rewards
When Jesus was tested in the wilderness, no gymnastic training was necessary...KNOWING THE WORD OF GOD WAS, and having The Holy Spirit, and having the wisdom and knowledge that Comes from God to begin with does.

No longer I but Christ who lives in me is where ALL MY STRENGTH comes from. Faith is simply believing God and taking Him at His word. I'm strengthened with all might in the inner man ...Ephesians 3:13-27, and Colossians 1:11 .

FOR HE Is able to do abundantly above and beyond all We could possibly ask or think according to HIS POWER that WORKETH in us, TO HIM BE THE GLORY..VERSE 20

My strength is made perfect in your weakness 2 Cor 12:9 .

Predestined For Hell
Romans 8:29 -......
---RichardC on 7/20/19

Now to truly understand this verse, one needs to understand what THE FIRSTBORN means. Jesus was not the FIRST to be Born Again. It means PREEMINENCE ...surpassing all other, having a place of superiority . which is what the CALLING OUT OF THE CHURCH, as we IN CHRIST, His Church, not earthly Israel will have a place surpassing all other ..and will share in His Glory, as joint heirs with Christ. it has nothing to do with salvation vs the lost, but that the CHURCH has a HIGHER CALLING in this dispensation of the Gospel.
Many will be saved from Genesis to Rev, but will not have this HIGHER CALLING. This my friends IS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE "MYSTERY" .

Jesus Action Rewards
Nicole, for the very last time. Lent is a man-made tradition. I do not need lent to fast, public, private or in a group. Deal with it. Move on.

Jesus Action Rewards
Nicole, lent is not in the bible. Many people fast in private, between them and the Lord ONLY, praying for some specific answer or need, as we see in the NT as well, and a "lent" is never mentioned. People fasted in the OT and no one had to wait until a so called LENT or whatever to do so.

Even in the Gospels, when they fasted, it was not during a "lent". That is something you all made up.

Just because one does not believe in a LENT, doesn't mean they don't believe in fasting. One is not the other. Please know that.

Jesus Action Rewards
Nicole, I believe those scriptures absolutely, and yes spiritual warfare is real, and as we abide in Christ we overcome by FAITH IN HIM, putting on the whole ARMOUR of God, as we are taught in scripture. So to me, it's a life, also deeply lived in Galatians 2:20-21 Romans 6-8 and Colossians 2-3. I would say because you have never lived in reality the verses above, you are trying to say you are living them only 40 days a year, ( called will worship) and think for some reason it's the same thing. NO ! it's not. Because the reality of the verses above cannot be self induced or self imitating . It's something the Lord Himself brings you through BY FAITH, not a 40 day imposed self humility.

Baptism In The Epistles
1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.AKA 1 Corinthians 2:5 Don't put your faith in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

The verse in no way says baptism dethrones the preaching of the CROSS. The POWER is not in baptism or communion, but the preaching of the CROSS. The GOSPEL is not baptism or communion, yet the RCC has made both communion and Baptism the power of salvation. Just because they perverted it, doesn't mean everyone has.

Jesus Action Rewards
Nicole, lent ONLY TO YOU is trying to compare Jesus 40 days in the wilderness TO YOUR MADE UP LENT, thinking you've created a wonderful MOCK comparison. Everything you all do seem to MOCK the Word of God.

Did you too wrestle with Satan , and then after are attended by the Angels? Did Satan offer YOU the whole world and all the kingdoms if you bowed down and worshipped him? OH THE FOOLISHNESS of diminishing what happened in that wilderness. Why not just have a personal day you all nail yourselves to the cross day?

As I said before, we don't see ANYONE in scripture as we read the NT written up to 30-40 -50 years after Jesus died and rose again speak of any lent or saints days.

Jesus Action Rewards
Well what we do know Cluny, it didn't begin with the early church, as Peter, Paul John James etc etc say nothing about a lent or abstaining from meat. Actually the opposite. It contradicts Colossians 2-3 to its very core. WHAT, you don't obey scripture..only man made traditions?

Loved Ones Are In Hell
I believe Jesus said every teary eye will be dried. No one is going to be looking at anyone in hell from heaven. The verse in Luke was before the cross, before Jesus was the FIRST TO ENTER THE HOLY OF HOLIES AKA HEAVEN with His own blood. I know Calvinists here have stated God is so blood thirsty that He along with us will I guess get some sort of kick out of seeing this suffeting. This is false doctrine....and sick to its core.

Jesus Action Rewards

Wrong again. It's spelled us. No such word as uis.

Baptism In The Epistles
Well we see in Ephesians 4 gifts are given, evangelism being one. Billy Graham was an evangelist, I doubt personally baptized every single person who came forward. But let's say he did, vs some other big kahona. Then people would be divided, just as we see different denominations divide, as is what ALL OF 1CORINTHIANS IS ABOUT. They didn't have denominations, but men bringing the Gospel. Read all of 1 Corinthians 1-4 to get a clearer idea of what the argument was about. IT WASN'T ABOUT BAPTISM VS NONBAPTISM. And Paul never makes the argument THE CHURCH does not need baptism.

Don't take paul's words out of context.

Jesus Action Rewards
Genesis 1:29 was before sin, still naked in the Garden of Eden. As I said before. No such verse exists after sin entered. And it's not a command. The only command was not to eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil.

Predestined For Hell
God predestined us, That is His Body, aka "THE CHURCH", to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ . This is our sanctification not our initial salvation or justification. Please read the verses carefully. Ephesians more fully explain He will present to Himself a Church without spot or wrinkle Ephesians 5:27. But to fully understand you need to understand the CHURCH is not earthly Israel, but a whole NEW CREATURE. All of Ephesians explains, but you have to be heavenly minded to understand.

Baptism In The Epistles
Well actually Cluny Emersion means coming out of water AFTER FIRST BEING SUBMERGED.

Peter in his epistle referring to Noah, ..the flood represents death and resurrection, ( the earth perished and was renewed) as Peter so elegantly states, BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. John the Baptist made no such statement about his baptisms. John's pointed to the COMING REDEEMER, just as animal sacrifice pointed to Jesus Christ. Acts 2:32 is the GOSPEL Peter also clarifies, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, as did Paul in 1 Corinthians15:1-4 .

Paul DID baptize. The issue was, many were worshipping the person who baptized them. please read 1 Corinthians 1:14 -15 to clarify what the issue was. But please begin verse 10-16.

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