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Two Prophets Of Revelation
michael_e's says the Mystery is Jesus death and resurrection, however the Mystery according to Colossians 1:24-27 is CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY. Christ in you making up the Church, the BOC ...this is the Mystery hidden in past ages but now made manifest. Jesus stated in the Gospels He would die and rise again, so it couldn't be the mystery. Isaiah 53 also shows the promised redeemer would suffer, and certain verses in Psalms point to Jesus resurrection. Also Abraham saw the resurrection in a vision. Don't underestimate what the faithful knew.

Everyone is saved the same way, faith in Christ, however each dispensation requires something different than the prior dispensation. The NT requirement after the Cross requires Romans 6-8.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Strongaxe, Just as Abraham rejoiced to see His day, so did Adam and Eve, Abel, Noah, Moses, Job, etc etc. They didn't know His name would be Jesus. But they did know He would be born of a virgin..etc, from the tribe if Judah, from the seed if David, as each dispensation revealed more and more.

John 8:56-59

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
The JUST or Righteous in the OT we so because they looked forward to the Cross.....we look back. Same faith in the promised Redeemer. Even Job said I KNOW THAT MY REDEEMER LIVETH ...and I will see Him in the last days.

I'm surprised many don't know this who seems to somewhat know the Bible.

When Paul James Peter quote from the OT they weren't pointing to another religion or way to be justified.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
I know it says in Acts that the disciples were called Christian in Antioch. Yet those from Adam and Eve Abel, Enoch, Noah Moses( considered the sufferings/reproach of "Christ" Hebrews 11:26) all these in Hebrews 11 were Christians by the definition of what Christian means in Acts ...THOSE WHO FAITH WAS IN CHRIST.

And Romans 2:15-16 ALL MEN will be judged according to the Gospel...that began in Genesis

Keeping Of Sunday
Strongaxe, that's why I've asked here a couple times if they thought Trump was a prelude to the Anti_Christ. The anti-Christ will make a covenant of hell with Israel, and then turn on Israel.'s frightening how Trump has ingratiated himself with Israel, etc.

And yes The WOMAN who rides the beast is apostate Christianity riding on the back of political powers, just as we are seeing. The beast will also turn on these fake Christian in name only people. But they do help give him his power.

If he's reelected, there is something more sinister behind the scenes with the help of other countries. Let's see what happens.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Strongaxe, yes there are different dispensations, but that does not mean different religions. Hebrews 11 begin at the beginning, Genesis, and go through a few dispensations re Moses etc, but NEVER change the salvation message. The law was never of faith and never offered salvation.

It's always been FAITH IN THE PROMISED REDEEMER regardless of the dispensation. Jesus is that Promised redeemer. Abraham saw the death and resurrection in a vision when about to sacrifice Isaac.

All dispensations require faith in the Lord. ...the Lambs book of life FROM THE FOUNDATION IF THE WORLD, not the foundation of Pentecost. EVERY DISPENSATION POINTED TO JESUS CHRIST revealing more and more about Christ.

Netflix The Family
Samuel THE CHURCH is not grafted into Israel. Romans 11 in no way teach believers are Israel. Romans 11 clearly teach AFTER the fullness of the Gentiles come in then God will again turn to Israel. The Church is a whole new thing NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE. It's not one or the other. It's a very simple sentence to understand. Neither means neither.

Feast of the Transfiguration
Jesus account in John 3:13 clearly say He was not. I believe Jesus. I also understand that verse in Kings is not the original which is said to say it in a way that it looks like that's the direct he went in from the perspective of someone standing on earth. It's not prophesy. Just like the verse that said the sun stood still for a day. Fact is....the sun doesn't move. But to someone just saying what seems to be so, does not make it fact. Only if Jesus said it was FACT would it be fact. No one else supported it, therefore it stands alone, and Jesus clarified....NO ONE...MEANS JUST THAT. No man...unless you are saying Elijah was not a man but something else.

Dormition Of Mary
Im sorry Cluny, but only Orthodox churches. And not until after the 400ad. Many writings snowboarding in Mary until then...after heresy entered in a big way. Protestant Churches do not worship MAry as you all do.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Are you saying this already took place? Could Jesus be using this dialogue as a teaching tool? I simply cannot separate these few verses from all of Matthew 24-25. I think you are reading too much into it. The 4 soils, another example of Jesus using soil as a teaching tool. But no doubt there's a cult out there looking at literal soil, just like those who literally let's snakes bite them .

Christianity is not a cult, and began in Genesis as Genesis 3:15 point to Christ. So to make that ststement that Christianity is a cult I find offensive. Christianity is the person of Jesus Christ. It DID NOT start after Pentecost ....but the promises were FULFILLED at Pentecost and more yet to be fulfilled going back to Genesis 3:15.

Keeping Of Sunday
I could see Jerry and Company upset if there was a law forbidding Saturday Worship. But to insist everyone must obey the sabbath is insisting one lives in a Theocracy and he the King of Israel or whatever. There are no inquisitions here, and we live in a nation where Jerry can freely practice his own faith why not let others practice according to their own conscience. It doesn't make sense.

Netflix The Family
Jerry, your belief comes with a false belief that You are the remnant spoken in Revelation 12. WRONG. Interestingly enough the JW's believe THEY are the 144,000. Again a false belief that both of you have thinking you as GENTILES are robbing the REAL JEWS of scripture concerning them. You are NOT a remnant, ( that which is left from the original) of Earthly Israel. You are not the PHYSICAL DESCENDENTS OF JACOB. If you think you are, please take a DNA TEST to prove. And don't spiritualize away your belief that because you keep the law and sabbath you are a Jew. Your not. You have stolen anothers identity. It's called IDENTITY THEFT.
REV warns against those who say they are Jews and are not. The warning is against you and the JW's.

Salvation By Our Works
Well Thanks David, but not only have I entered through the gate, narrow as it was, but i'm also IN CHRIST , so you don't have to worry about me. I know who and what I believe, and what church I go to now has NOTHING to do with it. My faith is not in a church, pastor or denomonation, but in Christ alone. And it's not your JOB to create doubt when one already had assurance. Paul warns us that those like you are actually the enemy of the Cross....dogs, the concussion etc...the pharisees. So thanks, but NO THANKS. Your hitting on the wrong person here. I'm not interested in your doctrine.

Netflix The Family
There is no scripture saying anyone is a spiritual Jew. There are many spiritual Gentiles ....scripture says those IN CHRIST are neither Jew or Gentile, but a NEW CREATURE.

THIS PART again those who think they are spiritual Jews think they still keep the law. They have to believe they are spiritual Jews to believe they are under the Law. However Abraham and ISAAC were not Jews. Jacob and his earthly descendent were Jews. The WHOLE POINT of Abraham is showing its not being a Jew that counts or being under the Law.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Strongaxe, Christianity God started the moment He created Adam and Eve, and continued it after covering Adam and Eve, and when Abel offered the first blood sacrifice putting his faith in the promised Redeemer.

When asking.."when did we do this to you" seeing they never personally did it to Jesus ...why do you think that's an odd question? Jesus said what you do to others is doing unto me. I believe this is a concept taught through out scripture of Christians aka the Sheep. IVe never seen that chapter as a universal salvation because of being nice to others. Does it have other supporting scripture that being nice to others brings one to LIFE out of death? Jesus said I AM THE RESURRECTION. I AM THE WAY TRUTH AND LIFE.

Salvation By Our Works
..........Spurgeon renounced the doctrine and yet the Baptist church, still parades around his G-R-E-A-T name.

---David on 8/22/19

I find it interesting that David seems to know what goes on in every Baptist Church, and also is so totally absorbed in JS. I've been in several Baptist Churches through out my life and NEVER once heard CS name even mentioned. Never saw that parade. Actually the Calvinist Baptist's have now disowned him because he wasn't Calvin enough. And David fails to see not all Baptist's are the same. There are many different KINDS of Baptist churches...yes, some even keeping Saturday Sabbath.

Did David LIE? If not, please direct me to any information CS renounced his doctrine..WHATEVER THAT MEANS.

Keeping Of Sunday
And the reason Jerry you won't find any COMMAND is because Christianity is a personal relationship with the Lord...not Jews under the Law...which was an organized religion UNTIL FAITH CAME. We've been set free from all that. We are FREE TO CHOOSE any day we want to worship....and even choose EVERY DAY IF WE SO PLEASE.

I'm free to choose any Church I want, free to choose what I wear, what I eat....

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Netflix The Family
I totally agree with Strongaxe here. Galatians is the perfect book to go to on this subject. Paul goes into depth that the law is NOT of faith. And we live by FAITH. That the Covenant God made with Abraham still stands today OVER the law given to Israel 430 years did not annul the covenant given to Abraham concerning the salvation of GENTILES. And that Gentiles were NEVER under the Law, and the Law was only a schoolmaster UNTIL FAITH CAME.

Jerry and the SDA reject ALL of the NT, and that is why many consider SDA a CULT who put Ellen White's teacings OVER scripture.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Also Strongaxe..MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE shows the sheep are already believers who hear Jesus voice. Goats or non believers do not hear His voice. So there is no such thing as a sheep who doesn't believe first in Jesus Christ. He obeys what he hears. He follows the shepherd because he KNOWS THE SHEPHERD. ****Psalms 23**** He does not hear the voice of strangers. So the Sheep do not follow the strange voice of a false teacher. Or false doctrine.

He leads His sheep in the paths of Righteousness. FOR HIS NAME SAKE. goats will eat anything. Goats are not sheep. Sheep are not goats.

So no, Matthew 25 is not teaching universalism by any stretch of the imagination.

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