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Bring Back Christmas
  
David831:

Having an interest in knowledge is a good thing. Insisting others share it and condemning them when they don't is NOT. It's like Sabbatarians who worshiping on Saturday (not a problem) but insist everyone else should do so because Sunday worship is evil (IS a problem).

You focus on some translations. The TRINITARIAN Catholic Jerusalem Bible uses Yahweh. Use of God's name is COMPLETELY UNRELATED to Trinitarianism. These are totally separate issues.

And since there are ZERO extant NT documents with YHWH, insisting there used to be some IS creating a doctrine out of nothing.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
Cluny:

There is a big difference between Christians, who are imperfect, and sin, but try not to, and repent when they do, and depraved people who sin openly, are proud of their sin, and boast about doing so, and regret and repent nothing.


jerry6593:

Bin Laden was a rogue terrorist who orchestrated multiple attacks on American soil. Soleimani was a government leader in a government with which the U.S. is not at war. There is a big difference between these two.

Also, it is now looking like Trump and many others in his circle were knowingly involved in a plot to stalk, harass, and even assassinate ambassador Jovanovitch. Assassinating one OF OUR OWN AMBASSADORS for political gain?! How more criminal can you get?!


Seashells On Top Mountains
  
Shells of creatures that died millions of years ago on top of a mountain aren't compatible with a flood that happened less than six thousand years ago either.

The Bible is not a textbook of rigid science. If you try to take it as such, there are many things that start to fall between the cracks.

One thing that strains the Flood narrative is the problem with food. Do you know how much food would have to be stored on the Ark to feed two of every species of animal for a year? But ignoring that for a moment, think AFTER the flood. What did animals eat after they landed? Most plants would be dead after drowning for a year. What did herbivores eat until new crops grew? And what about carnivores? There were no animals to eat.


Can Christians Be Rich
  
Yes, it's possible. However, we are not taught to seek wealth. If God wants to enrich us, that's his business, but the moment we start to set that as a goal, we're putting our faith in riches rather than God. Jesus himself warned about serving Mammon, and that one cannot serve two masters.

There are many in the "prosperity gospel" circuit who demonstrate they have fallen into this trap, feeling that luxury is their right rather than an unmerited gift. E.g. insisting on flying in a private jet because flying commercial is "sharing a plane with a bunch of demons" (Kenneth Copeland), or saying "anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan" (Paula White), and an air conditioned dog house (The Bakkers).


Greater Miracles Than Jesus
  
Jesus himself said it was possible. Who wants to disagree with him?

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father.


Pet Blood Transfusion Biblical
  
I just did a web search on this, and the Jehovah's Witness' own official web site says that they consider it improper to give blood transfusions to pets, and also to give pets food that contains blood as an ingredient.

Of course, nowhere does the Bible tell us that animals are subject to the same laws that we are. They are free to run around naked. They are free to procreate without being married. There are no prohibitions on what kinds of food we can give them. Etc. etc.

Yet again, the Watchtower people are attempting to impose additional burdens that the Bible itself never mentions.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
Cluny:

Matthew 7:16-18 talks about good trees bringing forth good fruit, and bad trees bringing forth bad fruit, and that we would know them by their fruit.

This president claims to be honorable, yet cheated on every one of his wives, and defrauded thousands of contractors, and boasted about both. He claims to be honest, yet told 15000+ lies in his first thousand days. He claims to be a Christian, yet boasts he has never been sorry (i.e. repented of) for anything, and when he wronged, he seeks vengeance and not forgiveness. His "spiritual advisor" said anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan.

We don't need to look into his heart. His own words and deeds speak plenty enough.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

You keep missing the point. I am not "siding with an enemy of this country". I am objecting to the way Trump took him out.

Trump specifically asked Iraq to make peace overtures with Iran. They were doing that (i.e. Soleimani came to Iraq to talk to their prime minister) when Trump assassinated him on Iraq soil. Do you not get how ourageous a breach of hospitality that is?! You arrange for an enemy to talk peace, then murder him when he does that?!

I can't understand how you can support Trump. Now evidence shows he and several other GOP insiders stalked an AMERICAN AMBASSADOR and considered a MOB HIT on her because she was not cooperating with their attempt to smear the Bidens for political ends.


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

You wrote: None of the original NT manuscripts predating the 4th century exist today. So no one can for any certainty claim that God's name was not in the original NT manuscripts.

So the Watchtower has created a doctrine, and condemned all of Christianity for violating that doctrine, based on ZERO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

THIS is what we call cultism. Why are you people SO OBSESSED over this?

This also has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Trinity. KJV does include the word "Jehovah". Also, some other translations (like the Catholic Jerusalem Bible), leave Yahweh in everywhere, yet Catholics are trinitarians, which disproves your point.


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

Even if YHWH occurred in one LXX manuscript, it didn't occur in most, and NEVER occurred in NT manuscripts. Jesus and the Apostles were OK with this. Why are you not?

I said "Yahweh" was a more correct pronunciation of the Divine Name than "Jehovah" is. I never INSISTED that it be used. The only people who INSIST on using the Divine Name are Jehovah's Witnesses, but thanks for deflecting.

If you refer to God by some name other than "Jehovah", because he obviously knows whom you're talking about, why do you rail so much when others do the same?


Bring Back Christmas
  
David831:

In EVERY SINGLE NT MANUSCRIPT, God is called "Kyrios", not "YHWH", even when directly quoting the OT. This translation standard practice in the LXX, and was acceptable to the Apostles and all NT authors - yet for some reason it is not acceptable to the Watchtower Society. Do you think you are holier than they are? Why is this particular gnat SO important to you?

I'm curious why you come to this site. The only points you make here are bashing the Trinity, and bashing use of LORD for the Holy Name. You never seem to discuss any of the other Christian teachines, only divisive JW-specific ones.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
And there is now breaking intelligence (i.e. documents) from Lev Parnas that suggests that Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, and Hyde were having U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch under surveillance, and making veiled comments about "knowing some people who could take care of her" - i.e. suggesting a possible mob hit on one of our own ambassadors who was inconvenient to them. How's THAT for treason?


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

Yes, most Christians (except some bizarre cultists who INSIST on "YAHUSHUAH") accept "Jesus" for the Son, just as most Christians (except some bizarre cultists who INSIST on "YAHWEH" or "JEHOVAH") accept "God" as for the Father.

If you speak to your real-world father, do you call him "Jack" or "Mr. Smith", or do you call him "Father" or "Dad"? Jews had a formal relationship with God. Christians have a close informal relationship with their father.

Everyone can see the ridiculousness of StrongAxe argument!

I don't see any here. You are projecting. MOST Christians in the world disagree with you.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David831:

RCC making an agreement with Hitler was under duress - it was either that or be destroyed. 1st century Christians made a different choice w.r.t. burning incense to Caesar, but it doesn't imply trust.

It had NOTHING to do with my friend. I went to their meetings. I read their books, and I owned enough of them that it took over a cubic foot to store them. From what OF THEIR OWN WRITINGS that I read, and from the behaviors OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE, and the actions OF THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION, condemning others for doing certain things yet doing exactly the same things themselves, that led me to walk away.

I also do not apologize for RCC. I grew up Catholic and also left them.


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

I trust traditions and scholarship of the Jews, to whom scriptures were given and who had them for millenia, over Watchtower Society "scholarship", that has been around less than two centuries.

BOTH Jehovah and Jesus are inaccurate. Hebrew and Greek do NOT have a "J" sound. Watchtower scholars know this, but DESPITE THIS, they use "Jehovah". Why? BECAUSE THE EXACT PRONUNCIATION AND SPELLING ARE NOT IMPORTANT. God knows what we mean. He is not a Grammar Nazi.

Either God cares, or he doesn't. If he doesn't care, they are Pharisees for accusing us of getting it wrong. If he DOES care, they're hypocrites for using "JEHOVAH" 6973 times, knowing it's inaccurate. Which is it?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David:

You wrote: What makes you believe Lucifer and Judas loved God, when both of them betrayed God?

God loved Lucifer. He was the greatest of the angels.

Why would Judas have stayed with Jesus if he didn't love him? Jesus wasn't rich. Yes, he was popular, but his popularity was dangerous as it was attracting unwanted hostility from the Pharisees (and worse, the Romans).

In the garden, he betrayed Jesus with a kiss - which was supposed to be a secret signal to the Romans (that Jesus figured out anyway). You don't just go up to someone and kiss them unless there is already a degree of mutual affection.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

I asked to show, SPECIFICALLY, any point in my message that was incorrect. Instead of proving me wrong (very easy, if I actually WAS wrong), you choose to attack he personally.

Stop playing the "Canadian" card as a put-down to me. It gets tiresome. If you don't want others putting you down because you're an American, you shouldn't do it to others either.

As far as to "being gratious to murderers", Jesus taught turning the other cheek - it's something you might look into. Throw the first stone ONLY If you're sinless.

Iran had much money invested in the U.S. The U.S. illegally seized it. If they "owe us reparations", U.S. could sue for it in the World Court. They didn't.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David:

The problem is that EVERY religion believes that it is teaching the truth, regardless of whether they're Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecastal, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, or anything else.

We end up with the curious double-think where many people think it's perfectly fine to force their own children to go to Sunday School, but at the same time believe that other people forcing their own religions on THEIR own children is harmful brainwashing.

There are people in loving relationships with God, and still fall away. Look at Lucifer and Judas.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: Your history smells a bit leftist. Why don't you move to Iran and then tell us how great they are. We Americans are tired of you.

What matters is NOT whether my history is "leftist" or "rightist", but whether it is TRUE. IF the shoe fits, wear it. Show ONE THING I said in my last message that was NOT true.

I never said "Iran is great" but thanks for putting words in my mouth and then setting fire to them. It shows how committed you are to truth. And don't presume to speak for all Americans. More than half agree with me. Even FOX'S OWN POLL showed over 50% in favor of impeachment and removal.



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