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Dormition Of Mary
Ruben, I'm not sure what your point is. Paul, Peter, John, James, Jude all are speaking to Christians encouraging them as well as warning them about false teachers who have crept in unaware. The 7 letters in Rev clearly show they are not saved or Christians.

I could say your group ( mystery Babylon, the harlot ) is a clear warning about your people. Also Paul warns us at the beginning of Philippians 3.... The Concission AKA Pharisees ...described in Romans 10 , also in Galatians, fits your description. ..."thank you Paul for the warning".

Salvation By Our Works
David the clear distinction between your definition of a CULT , and a Christian is a Christian has a personal relationship with the Lord. Cults don't ....yet you somehow want to legitimize the CULT. That's the difference between your beliefs and mine.

Dormition Of Mary
Yes Ruben, false teachers were coming in. All letters say stand fast etc. that doesn't mean they weren't. Just like in football..."HOLD THAT LINE...HOLD THAT LINE" Interestingly you failed to read all the verses Paul praises them for their faith, etc. I don't think any group was praised more than the Thesselonians who endured persecution and suffering.

The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD. Nice try, but again total embellishment carrying the baggage of more embellishments.

Salvation By Our Works
Sorry David, the only rediculous statement was your original one. Like I said, many CULTS say they are followers of Jesus. Doesn't make them Christian.

Salvation By Our Works
OH wow, I bet he also watched FOX NEWS, .... Maybe he also watched the PBS News hour too.

However Documentaries can be shown by any one anywhere. The Documentary on the Mayo Clinic shown on Netflix and other feeds was awesome. Also the Doc on the Roosevelt family was awesome too, carried by PBS, HBO, NETFLIX, AMAZON ....and so many more.

Many people don't believe in God simply because of the PTL CLUB and CBN on television.

Salvation By Our Works
David, after watching THE FAMILY on Netflix, I'm a little cautious of anyone who says they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. So do they, and they are a cult. They even made their own bible called JESUS . interestingly enough all genetic Christian cults say they follow the teachings of Jesus. So did Thomas Jefferson, who also created the Jefferson Bible picking and choosing what verses in the 4 gospels to use.

It also appears David you follow the teachings of Jesus before He died and Rose again, which many of those teachings are still OT, and some are for the 1000 year reign like Matthew.

Salvation By Our Works
James 5: 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

So bazaar David 8313 or whatever accuses James of Hellenic or pagan whatever teachings.

Too bad too that David8313 will never experience having his soul saved from death, as long as he holds to the false teachings of the JW's.

Salvation By Our Works
Soul sleep is the teaching that when a person dies that his soul "sleeps" until the time of the future resurrection. In this condition, the person is not aware or conscious. The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists hold to this doctrine as do most conditionalists (those who say that the wicked are judged and don't exist anymore). But the Jehovah's Witnesses teach annihilation. This means that after death a person ceases to exist. At the future resurrection, they maintain that the soul is made again. Basically, it is a re-creation of the individual. The Seventh-day Adventists teach at the soul is simply inert and resides in the memory of God.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Like I said TOO Jerry, there are many different views as to who or what the two witnesses are. Yours is again another view many hold. I've never pinned down exactly who/ not sure what your snipe is about.

Again, the question is not WHO are the two witnesses. But then again, no one here thoroughly reads anything before jumping in and making a fool of themselves. I think if more people actually took the time to read, instead of glazing over and quickly posting something out of left field, we would have less contention here.

Netflix The Family
Yes Strongaxe, and remember Jim Jones was also praised by presidents and politicians.....

Salvation By Our Works
Well David, it's because of your evasiveness I believed you were Mormon based on your defense of the JWs belief that Jesus was Michael the Archangel . BUT NOW, I've eked out of you ( through intense debate) your belief in soul steep, that only SDA and JW believe. I never knew your belief that a Christians belief in eternal life the moment we see saved is considered a CULT to you. Your rejection of Hebrews, again all true cults reject. You say you're not Protestant or Catholic...JW's don't consider themselves either. So my apologies, your not Mormon, your JW. Mormons don't believe in soul sleep.

When asked what church or group you are afiliated with, you were always very evasive.

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Steveng, that's totally funny. I post not worldly matters but right out of scripture. But when making an accusation, it's important to give an example. In doing so, we can all see your definition of what you think worldly matters are, and decide then if your accusation is correct.

My post here are not listing any worldly matters but right out of scripture. Comparing scripture with scripture as you too have done. We just have two BIBLICAL ways of looking at something.

But again, I said some things God word shows are still mysteries to us ....certainly would not categorize that statement in a category of Worldly Matters.

So your last comment is nil ....

Dormition Of Mary
James 3:13 - Who is wise and understanding among you ? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom.
I like that. Taking snipes at others Cluny is not good conduct. You intentionally provoke with your one liner jabs ...hoping to what?

And no one with Wisdom can read Thesselonians and accuse them of rejecting Paul. It's just beyond words. Making up something to attack another...its just beyond words.

I suggest ALL WOMEN know the word of God so these "men" don't throw nonsense at you. Thank God for Wycliffe and the such for giving EVERYONE A BIBLE IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE , so we don't have to rely on the RCC for lies like this.

Salvation By Our Works
Ok so only two believe in soul sleep, JW'S AND SDA'S. So now we're narrowing down exactly what David is. I also looked up JW BELIEFS and David seems to fall into the JW'S 100%.

So with that , his anger and outbursts when presented the Gospel of the Grace of God is spoken and shown to him, responds exactly as CULTS act ...a well known fact.

David, sweety, we simply do not share the same faith. But look what it took for you to finally be truthful about your beliefs. Soul sleep is heresy.

here's one to munch on.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, ...

Dormition Of Mary
Sorry Cluny, the gifts given in Ephesians 4 are given to EVERY BELIEVER IN CHRIST. NOT JUST 1/2 THE BODY.

To say the Thessalonians rejected Paul's teaching is a bold face lie out of a man's mouth....doesn't make it true because a man said it.

We all know the Orthodox suppress women, forgot Priscilla taught Apollo. And no scripture says women can't teach or use her gift on a website either. Making up lies again.

Salvation By Our Works
Yes and PRAISE JESUS, JESUS CAME TO SAVE OUR SOULS FROM DEATH, and as John says in 1st John, we know we have passed from death to life.....

Yes JW's do believe they are sinless. One of my brothers years ago was seduced by the JW's while in the Army. We had many rounds of talks about that one. Praise God he came out of it.

Hummm, David seems awfully sensitive about the JW's.....hummmmm, also months ago defending their belief Jesus is Michael the Archangel ......hummmmm. Are you JW David? No wonder he rejects Hebrews.

So now, Hebrews 12:22-24 say as we speak that the SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT are in Heaven with God. So again, David rejects Hebrews and therefore rejects sound doctrine.

Dormition Of Mary
Monk, don't you need to wash out your sack cloth or something. Maybe go take a walk on glass and flog yourself for an hour or so?

Two Prophets Of Revelation

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

This whole thing is a mystery as no one has ever been translated or taken by God, except possibly Paul when he was caught up to the 3rd heaven or paradise. Paul did not die and come back to life either. And since these two, possibly 3 with John in Revelation, who also did not die and come back to life either, is a mystery we really don't understand yet. ALL I know is GOD'S WORD SAID ENOCH DID NOT SEE DEATH. I don't have to understand it to believe it.

Dormition Of Mary
I just read both 1st and 2nd Thesselonians. Thank you Ruben for causing me to do that. And I was oh so blessed to see such a letter of LOVE from Paul to the Thesselonians, continually praising them in every chapter of both books, all the way to the very end....and not one word about scolding them from departing from the faith.

So it looks like someone here is on crack, making ignorant false accusations towards others here, but also the Thesselonians which is appalling......

Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?

Two Prophets Of Revelation
Steveng , is Hebrews saying Enoch did see death ?Where ever Enoch is, there are no days and nights now. So maybe all his days here are recorded in earthly time of his earthly time on earth. There still may be mysteries God has that we just don't have the answers to. This may be one of them.

So, are you calling the author of Hebrews a liar? And Steveng , this is a long held belief by many over the last 6000 years. I doubt only YOU have the absolute answer. But if it makes you feel better, by all means believe it. I don't think it interferes with ones salvation of what they may believe scripture is saying. Just like the two witnesses....many opinions....and it is not an issue with anyone who holds a different view.

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