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How To Calculate 666
  
Cluny:

I wrote: Peter clearly did miracles, yet his successors did not.

You wrote: Some did.

So what? Unless all the Popes down throughout history have done so (in stark distinction with everyone else), then it's NOT an office-related power passed down by succession - and if that one is not, how can one be sure the authority Jesus gave Peter IS passed down by succession?


God Bless President Trump
  
Remember, the Beast will do such marvels that he would deceive the very elect, if that were possible. This means that the majority of Christians will actually follow him.

Think about what that means. He will appear to fulfill Christians' wildest dreams.

So whenever you find ANY leader that commands such blinding loyalty among Christians, it always pays to be cautious. What, exactly, are his fruits? Jesus said "By their fruits, you will know them".

Whenever you see a powerful charismatic leader who tells Christians everything they want to hear, but who is constantly spewing rotten fruit, beware!


Church On Doctrines
  
Nicole_Lacey:

An unpoven allegation is not a lie. It's merely hearsay - UNLESS you can refute them all. Did you check out all of the ones on Politifact? Were those lies? There are SIX PAGES of lies so egregious, they rate them as "pants on fire". EACH of those leads to a DETAILED PAGE that list specifically WHY they determined that that specific statement was a lie. One you read those details, if you are still unsatisfied with them, THEN you can research further to see what part of that analysis is flawed.

Stop being OBSESSED with the 13435 figure. Regardless of whether Trump lied 13000 times or 1000 times, he's still a pathological liar. Look at the provided ones above and judge for yourself.


God Bless President Trump
  
michael_e:

Very true. So many "Christians" are 1-issue-voters, pinning everything on these issues, throwing all others under the bus. Jesus never said anything about either of those, but these "Christians" willingly ignore many other things Jesus DID talk about, e.g. divorce and adultery. (E.g. Trump is twice divorced and cheated on all of his wives. His pastor Paula White is twice divorced. Kim Davis is thrice divorced).

Also, many Republican politicians scream "family values" and oppose LGBTQ until they're caught with men in a bathroom, or oppose abortion except when their mistresses need one. But "Christians" willingly overlook all that.


Church On Doctrines
  
Nicole_Lacey:

WaPo reported 13435 lies 6/10/2019. I can't read it now because of paywall. You may have better luck.

Politifact provides detailed explanations on why each statement is a lie. After reading them, if not satisfied, do more research yourself.

The reason I mentioned Benitez is you claimed he didn't serve time but got deported INSTEAD of them. No, he didn't. His crimes were due to PTSD from serving, that he didn't get treatment for - i.e. it's the military's fault ultimately.

Yes, seriously mentally ill people should not have weapons. Pity one of Trump's first acts was repealing Obama's rule ensuring that, so now they can easily get them.


God Bless President Trump
  
Nicole_Lacey:

The whistleblower remains anonymous for fear of reprisals. Despite the Whistleblower Protection Act, Trump and many other Republicans demand to know who it is, contrary to law.

If WB testified before Congress, that would reveal their identity, making them subject to threats and intimidation. Right now, Lt. Col. Vindman is under army guard, and his family may be relocated to an army base, due to threats. It's hard to hold an impartial investigation when witnesses are threatened and put in fear of their lives.

WB's comments are hearsay as they are not sworn testimony. They cannot be used to convict, BUT can lead to investigation that brings out other witnesses who DO testify under oath, and many have done so.


How To Calculate 666
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Peter decided that all posts must be replaced.

Yes, posts must be replaced, but Jesus made the promise to Peter (i.e. a person), not to a post.

Peter clearly did miracles, yet his successors did not. It's obvious that THAT wasn't something that was passed on ad infinitum. How can you argue that one thing was not passed down, but another was?


Church On Doctrines
  
jerry6593:

Another flippantly useless comment, as usual.

You can either read what I say, and speak to all of it in context, or ignore it all and be silent. Don't just take half of it and chop it down out of context. Make up your mind.

You still have yet to say whether you drive to church, or cook, or turn lights off and on on the Sabbath. Why is that? Are you afraid of the answers?


Church On Doctrines
  
David:

Romans 6:14-15
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

These verses implies three things: 1) WE (i.e. Christians) are not under the law, and 2) yet it IS still possible to sin. 3) however, sin does not dominate us.

We Christians are not under "The Law" (i.e. The Law of Moses), but we ARE under the Law of Christ. Jesus frequently talked about those who "keep HIS commandments". We aren't exempt from that.


God Bless President Trump
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Congress has subpoenaed many Trump insiders to testify, but Trump has instructed them to ignore the subpoenas and not show up. There are now almost a dozen of them.

Whom did Adam Schiff block from testifying? Names please.

The whistleblower did not testify before Congress. Therefore his (or her) comments are hearsay, which is why we need all the other witnesses.

Google: transcript memorandum, and check out qz's article about "Why it's wrong to call the White House Ukraine memo a transcript". Two linguists explain.
Also, the transcript's fine print says it's "not a verbatim transcript of a discussion."


How To Calculate 666
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I see you REALLY HATE Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in HEAVEN, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in HEAVEN.


Note whom Jesus was addressing here. Peter. NOT the Catholic Church.

We have only the Catholic Church's own word for it (and not scripture) that Peter transferred that authority to them in perpetuity.


Church On Doctrines
  
Nicole_Lacey:

As I said, Benitez ALREADY SERVED HIS TIME IN PRISON. It's not either/or.

Clinton was only investigated for cheating on Hillary once, which ultimately led to his impeachment (which failed).

Trump boasted in private, but a recording was made of that conversation, and released later. As I said earlier, search for Trump and Access Hollywood. He makes frequent mentions moving on women who were married, and grabbing women by the *****, and how they let you do anything when you're a celebrity.

For starters, you can see some of the worst lies: look up Politifact's "All Pants on Fire! statements involving Donald Trump". There are 6 pages of outrageous lies. Each lie links to a page debunking it.


God Bless President Trump
  
David:

Obama denounced Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements.

Trump embraces Paula White and her teachings, and he put her on WH staff. She pushes toxic prosperity "gospel" that goes against everything Jesus taught about wealth (you can't love God and Mammon, don't worry about possessions, deny yourself). She implied Jesus "is from Satan".

Told people in Jan. 2018 to send her their January salary or there would be "consequences", and last week to send her $229 for "prophetic instruction" to defeat their enemies.

We're supposed to trust in God to fulfill OUR needs, but she needs US instead to fulfill hers. The Bible warns about wolves in sheep's clothing selling the gospel.


How To Calculate 666
  
kathr4453:

Any religious group (including Catholics, Baptists, etc.) can be apostate, but that is no proof they are 666. They should be judged by their works, good and evil. Even Mormons do some good, by encouraging close family values.

All you say about 6, 7, 666, 777, etc. is nowhere actually taught in the Bible, other than the one verse in Revelaton. It's numerology. People make inferences and draw conclusions, but no prophet or apostle ever taught any of it.

"adds up to 666" is just flawed logic, e.g. "666 is evil. xyz is evil. Therefore, xyz is 666", uses exactly the same logic as (and is thus just as flawed as) "Lemons are fruit. Apples are fruit. Therefore, apples are lemons".


Church On Doctrines
  
jerry6593:

You have literally been ignoring everything I have ever been saying on this subject for years, so let me repeat it for you, slowly, once again.

Everyone who obeys Jesus' two commandments "Love God" and "Love your neighbor" ALREADY keeps the Commandments ANYWAY, so he doesn't need to be told each one in a list.

Great! You're going to really enjoy true Sabbath keeping.

It's amazing how, of all the commandments, you think THIS one is the most important. You're OBSESSED.

The Sabbath Commandment is the only one NOT subsumed by the Two.

You never answered my questions from before: Do you drive to church on Sunday, or cook, or turn lights on or off?


Church On Doctrines
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Clinton was impeached for 1 adultery and 1 lie. Trump cheated on all 3 wives, boasted privately but hushed it up as he knew Americans wouldn't approve, and lied 13000+ times.

Hillary stole some furniture. Trump defrauded THOUSANDS of contractors, held a charity for VETERANS but spend the money on his campaign, and Trumps a charity for KIDS WITH CANCER, but spent the money on themselves.

Like the Biblical adage, "Saul slew thousands, and David tens of thousands" - David was bigger.

Benitez served his country, and suffered PTSD that drove him to alcohol and drugs and DID go to prison. Instead of thanks and PTSD treatment, he got deported to a country he didn't know, as he left there at 3.


Church On Doctrines
  
jerry6593:

Yes, WE do not NEED the Ten Commandments - because if WE love God and neighbor WE ALREADY refrain from murder, adultery, theft, perjury etc. without needing to specifically told. I NEVER said it was ALL RIGHT to do those things. Anyone who does any of those is breaking the Law of Christ.

Atheist Pen Jillette was asked "If you don't believe in God, what's to stop you from murdering and raping all you want?", and replied, "I DO murder and rape all I want - and the amount I want is zero".

If you have no desire for adultery and theft, you do not need to be told to avoid them. Unfortunately, many DO these things, so they still need to be told.


God Bless President Trump
  
Nicole_Lacey:

There are so many lies they can only show some examples.

It's not "because they said it". Each lie is something he said on the record and can be independently corroborated by anyone who looks.

Jesus said "Forgive your enemies" and "Deny yourself and follow me". Trump says "Destroy your enemies". His pastor says "Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is of Satan".

MANY people are testifying to what Trump did, under penalty of perjury. Everyone who claims Trump is innocent REFUSES to testify under oath. That should tell you something.

There is no "transcript". It is just a memorandum, not a word-for-word transcription of the call.


God Bless President Trump
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Washington Post: President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days.

Trump doesn't attack poeple FIRST. He attacks them in REVENGE. Most recently, he attacked both decorated serviceman Alexander Vindman and Ambassador Yovanovitch because they testified to what happened instead of substantiating his lies. He never had problems with them before, but now is bad mouthing them left right and center.

Does John 8:7 apply to you when you condemn Obama?

It isn't puffing to ignore all military advisors "because you know better than they do" and launch ill-advised raid that gets innocents killed INCLUDING 9 CHILDREN (but they were already born, so I guess their lives don't matter.)



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