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How To Get Saved
  

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Please note this verse...
1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Some say many were saved by grace in the OT, however 1Peter 1:10 shows NT GRACE ...if it was prophecied to come UNTO THEM note verse 12 too.

which 1Peter 1:3-5 showing it is centered around the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

1Peter 1 is an AWESOME read to the BOC the CHURCH.


Yoke Of Bondage
  
James never says salvation requires work. James is not talking about salvation but our sanctification.....as Paul says to those in Galatia who were already saved....HAVING BEGIN UN THE SPIRIT ARE YOU NOW BEING MADE PERFECT BY THE FLESH....You have fallen from Grace.

If they had only BEGUN in the spirit, wouldn't it suggest we CONTINUE in the Spirit? And they didn't! They went back after and went under the Law..falling from Grace. We don't CONTINUE in hopes of being saved, but continue as Paul states in Philippians 3...I PRESS ON.

Please folks don't sit on your duffs and think you take no part in your WALKING BY FAITH DAILY.


Yoke Of Bondage
  
Ok so show a verse where fasting is humbling the flesh.....

Those who are CHRISTS have CRUCIFIED the flesh...Galatians 5:22-25......no verse says humbling the flesh. Two entirely different things.

So your verse in 1 Corinthians is only YOUR personal interpretation, and not scriptural.

I get that Cluny....everything you teach is your own personal interpretation.


Yoke Of Bondage
  
That's funny. I've heard if Eastern, Russian, Orthodox. Funny Cluny thinks he's so unique and special ....fact is, he wants everyone to think he is...also superior to others faith, we're the true faith bla bla bla ...so let's all let him think so. He getting old and we can all witness his daily meltdowns.....it's actually sad.


Faith Without Works Dead
  
Seeing Cluny has scoffed openly at the very things he has now asked me about, I find his question sacrilegious and blasphemous to the utmost beyond vulgar where he should be removed from CN ASAP.

How low will you crawl in the dung heap of sinners? Repent of that filthy foul attitude you feel the need to use ...it's only hurting you. You should be ashamed, but I think you've lost all conscience of common decency. Has God already seared your conscience? It appears so. Totally disgusting coming from someone who makes fun of those who have asked Jesus into their heart. ..and has openly made fun of that belief. You really have hit rock bottom Cluny.


Faith Without Works Dead
  

No This is what Cluny said. I don't believe I said anything to the contrary. Maybe only in Cluny's imagination desperately looking and combing through every word I say to JUMP UP AND MAKE A FOOL OUT OF HIMSELF thinking his attacks here are an exercise of his will he has been practicing gymnastics, thinking his STRONG willful assaults are noteworthy. Too funny. Fasting was also suggested for driving out personal demons, not giving them a will of their own.


//In His human nature, Jesus had a human soul.

Otherwise, He would not be fully human.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/19/////


Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
  
We see from the beginning of creation how God feels, and there is no way anyone can wiggle out of this. The men in Sodom asked Lot to send out the Angels so they could KNOW THEM, Lot offering his daughters in their place.

Romans 1:26-28

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,...


Can Satan Be Forgiven
  
What I find odd is why so many have died preaching a gospel that says EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT. GOD IS RECONCILLING EVERYONE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. So go and SIN till your hearts content, because it just doesn't matter..you'll be saved in the end YIKES! AND WRONG!

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Absent From Our Body
  
Now David8318 states Michael the AA is that quickening spirit, ...so did Michael the AA quicken himself? Impossible. It's GOD who brings life, and also brings life out of death.....no angel has such powers. And the SAME SPIRIT, who is GOD who,raised Jesus from the dead is that same Spirit GOD! NOT MICHAEL ...Romans 8:11-13.


WHom GOD hath raised from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him (Acts 2:24).


But God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen (Acts 10:40).

But God raised him from the dead (Acts 13:30).

So Michael is NOT the last Adam....GOD THE SON IS.


Absent From Our Body
  
David8318 calling folks names is PROJECTING his own failure to understand the TRUE Gospel.. by revealing his own lack of understanding and mocking it because it doesn't measure up to the man made JW Watchtower tracks and books, they simply make up on the fly and have changed their beliefs ON THE FLY that began when their false date of the end of the world didn't come about. AFTER 2-3 WRONG prophecies, they were too embarrassed to admit they were a false religion , so simply said the INVISIBLE Christ returned in 1914 or thereabouts.

So now we have an INVISIBLE CHRIST, yet OUR BIBLE says when Jesus returns EVERY EYE WILL SEE.

But Again, David8318 will PROJECT why our belief is nonsense based on HIS false understanding of truth.


Absent From Our Body
  
If God simply wanted another human being, He would have formed another one out of the dust of the earth, just like He did Adam. This idea that Michael the AA became a man only and then disintegrated in the tomb , would have left residue of at least ashes. Yet no such scripture makes such a statement. How could Michael have been made a man...die, and turn back into Michael the AA. That's nuts. One would have to believe Michael was fully angel and fully man for that, ut they don't. So if Michael disintegrated Michael no longer exists period.

Paul says, be thoroughly convinced IN YOUR OWN MIND. Romans 4:15 include ALL MATTERS. You have every right to be as the Bereans and not be controlled by a bunch of men.


Absent From Our Body
  
Great verses, however scripture says we are body , soul and spirit.

So Richard, are you too saying the body goes to ashes, the soul is annihilated and only the Spirit goes to the Father.

So Jesus said....Thou will not leave MY SOUL in Hell. ****Psalms 16:10 Acts 2:27 *****( I HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THE OT PROPHECY THREAD TOO ABOUT JESUS) shows that JESUS SOUL was three days in the belly of the earth, aka Sheol, aka hell , nothing about His soul being totally extinguished and then recreated, after he rose again from the dead as JW believe.

So RichardC, if you died today, what happens to your SOUL?


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
This is what my bible says...nothing about heaven or bringing someone UP from heaven... She just brought him up...it looks OUT IF THE EARTH.


And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
Samuel, I totally agree. ALL HAVE sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. All the good works in the world cannot counter that fact. No one can come to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ. I know many hate that fact, but I didn't make the Rules...GOD DID.

I also don't believe in taking one verse and building a whole belief system around it. That's what Cults do. All truth has supporting scripture and no scripture supports being nice to another gets you into heaven. Many will be nice to those the two witnesses bring Gods wrath on....and they still won't get into heaven.


Netflix The Family
  
Here's where some misunderstand scripture. In Deut 10:13, 30:6, all talk ISRAEL CONCERNING circumcision of the heart. These were the REAL Spiritual Jews, as Romans 9-11 state, not all Israel is Israel but in Isaac will thy seed be called. Just being a Jew didn't guarantee salvation. Jews were Gods LIGHT on earth, just as Christians today are the LIGHT.

So Romans 2:23-29 never states a gentile becomes a Jew, but that his Uncircumcision is counted as circumcision of the HEART in Gods eyes...and Jew here is equated to the word Christian. A CHRISTIAN is not outward, but INWARD. And circumcision OF THE HEART IS STILL NOT IN THE FLESH OR IN THE LETTER OF THE LAW. Philippians 3. It's nuts Gentiles claim to be Jews based on Romans 2.


Two Prophets Of Revelation
  
Clearly the Law pointed to Christ, just as the Ark pointed to Christ, just as Abel's sacrifice pointed to Christ.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under the law.

And don't let anyone else tell you different. Believe the WORD OF GOD, not man made up doctrines.

I'm surprised some don't say faith was the mystery, but then again they would have to deny Hebrews 11 as TRUTH.


Salvation By Our Works
  
David concerning CS, I don't know anything about that. But leaving a denomination is not the same as leaving your own faith behind. Just you saying that again shows a lack of understanding. And you assume and presume much. I already said I don't know JS or what he teaches....did you fail to see that? And WHY? It shows you do not read others posts and why I find it a waste of my time answering you.


Salvation By Our Works
  
David8316, I understand because you don't understand scripture that you go off on some crazed twisted fit. All these bazaar accusations against me only reveal how bazaar your own understanding is.

Death is separation from God as well, and does not mean annihilation. In Adam all die...in Christ those who believe will be made alive together with Christ...Ephesians 2:7-10. Parish vs eternal life....John 3:16.

David, Jesus physical body died, but He said in the Psalms prophecied....THOU WILL NOT LEAVE MY SOUL IN HELL.

Jesus too has a soul. His soul was not EXTINQUISHED and then recreated.. which is YOUR definition of death...not scriptures definition.


Salvation By Our Works
  
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4 also say the word of God is sharper than a two edge sword.

I wouldn't call it a knife.


Salvation By Our Works
  
Also note in David's outbursts he's condemning Cluny 's faith as a cult. They don't believe the soul is extinguished when the physical body dies. JW'S AND SDA DO. it's heresy.

So I'll have to research if the Mormons believe as David's beliefs with JW's and SDA.

But it wasn't until now that David gave away MORE of his beliefs he's been so evasive about. And this explains his rejection of Hebrews and Romans 6. The NEW CREATURE WILL NEVER DIE SPIRITUALLY...that's why it's called ETERNAL LIFE. Also read Hebrews 2 ....exposes David's lie from hell.



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