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Death Penalty Biblical
Those reading from Genesis to Revelation know the meaning of condemn. If Jesus didn't come into the world to CONDEMN the world...then He came to SAVE ...that only takes place via FORGIVENESS.

The Gospel is one thing, setting up Governments and laws are another. Jesus , Paul, Peter etc never told GOVERNMENTS who believe in the separation of Church and state how to run their governments. Jesus didn't come to save governments, but INDIVIDUALS from HELL...

John 8:10-11

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Yoke Of Bondage
The " Body of Christ " is spoken 4 times in the NT in the following epistles.

Yet Colossians 1:24-27 tell us exactly what the Mystery is, and never say the phrase BODY OF CHRIST...
ALSO Timothy 1-2 ...1-2 Thessalonians, Galatians, Philippians are to the BOC THE CHURCH....without saying BOC. So again a nothing burger there....proves nothing.

Romans (1)
1 Corinthians (2)
Ephesians (1)

Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
Just wanted to point out Nicole's dishonesty.

What we know it doesn't mean , is , it doesn't mean sodomy , even friendly sodomy with a non stranger is beautiful in the eyes of the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19

Faith Without Works Dead
Just a note to JS1234, I know you know the site Got Questions, as I saw you copy and paste one of their answers as your own, to one of Cluny's questions. I followed up with the next paragraph, but I put in ITALICIZED showing its someone else's words not my own. Anyway, you can look on that site again since you are familiar with it to see what MOST CHRISTIANS believe "Spiritual" death means.

It doesn't mean physical death. Also the SECOND DEATH, may be something you should study as well.

What Is Earthly Tabernacle
I also don't believe 2 Corinthians 5:1 is a stand alone verse, but must be read including verses 2-8 with verse 1, concludes in verse 8. Paul is talking about the BOC, the CHURCH, those IN CHRIST, will never be separated from Christ whether here in the body or dead, and separated from our body. Our SOUL goes home to be with the Lord.
Also Romans 8'says NOTHING including death can separate us from the Love of God IN CHRIST.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Faith Without Works Dead
JS1234, on the same line of thought, if YOU want everyone in the end to go to heaven, that's ok with me too, HOWEVER, what God wants is an entirely different matter.

We are discussing Gods Word, not mans wants. So I find your comment here condescending , which is not much different than comments you seem to say you are above saying or doing. Sarcasm comes in all forms and fashion. Yours was loud and clear.

Turn Against Evil Doers
A rabbi during Jesus time was different than a rabbi today. Even the qualifications of most churches for a pastor or minister have changed. Paul, as one who learned under a rabbi could have qualified as a rabbi at that time. Jesus was called rabbi and never went to any formal school of learning.

The early church pastors or bishops only qualifications say nothing about formal education.

So in every sense of the word and definition, Paul was a simply means TEACHER. Paul was that and more. No need here to disect into another food fight.

Yoke Of Bondage
Cluny, I know what Galatians is about....but not everyone else does.

Many don't even know what LIBERTY why would they know that the yoke of bondage means being put back under the law? Not even the ORTHODOX believe in GRACE PLUS Cluny it appears YOU yourself don't know what it means.

But thanks for adding to my rewards with your NASTY NASTY comments.

I'll be sure to trample your questions pointing out all questions from you show how stupid you must be to even ask them in the first place.

Faith Without Works Dead
Well according to Jesus own works, ( as some here refuse to believe anything but Jesus words) told the thief who died next to Him...TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE. No time for works or fruit.

But some here like to ...even with that....pick and choose WHAT WORDS they like and don't like what Jesus said.

So ones church has nothing to do with it. One's personal opinions mean more than Gods word....sooooo dangerous.

Works Of The Law
This may be over some heads, but not for others who are growing in the GRACE AND KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS CHRIST. 7 in scripture mean PERFECT, COMPLETE REST, ect. Rest also meaning we have ceased from our own works. By one offering God has PERFECTED once and for all those who are sanctified in Christ (sic) Hebrews 10:14. Colossians says we are COMPLETE IN HIM. keep in mind IN HIM. And Paul says in Romans it is God who justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5....So again Paul never teaches we are justified by becoming justifiable through good works. We are justified by HIS BLOOD. ROMANS again YOUR OWN BLOOD WILL NOT DO. You cannot save yourself or shed your own blood.

WE ARE perfect, complete in Christ aka a 777. As opposed to a 666.

Works Of The Law
The problem with TEACHERS OF WORKS Is they put you in bondage again in some form or fashion, called LEGALIZED GRACE. It's what Galatians is all about. BEWARE!
Those who are in bondage to this false teaching have had their destiny here and now stolen away. Stolen by keeping you literally bound up in man made this or that , that you cannot hear the Lords voice saying to you....THIS IS MY WILL FOR YOU. Also in order to know His will you need to obey Romans 12:1-2. Then as you die daily to your own desires, the desires of the Lord will become loud and clear. What the Lord has for you, God does NOT tell David first to tell you. The Lord tells YOU directly. The ONLY TEACHER YOU NOW NEED concerning Doing Gods Will, is the Holy Spirit.

Works Of The Law
I'm also curious where David teaches his no Moses law works of commandments. He said he is not affiliated with ANY main stream is it some new Cult you have started? What do you call your group?

And is he or isn't he saying Romans 10:9-13 is a WORK OF COMMANDMENTS Jesus taught or is he now backing down on that one? Since in the a Gospels Jesus hadn't died and rose again does it fit into your works of commandments of Jesus taught that is not the Law of Moses?

So David is saying, if you WORK to keep these non Moses commandments you can SET YOURSELF FREE FROM SIN?????WRONG!

Works Of The Law
I'll give David the benefit of the doubt and say he has mental issues. A possible multiple personality disorder, where TODAY he believes as the MAJORITY of Christians believe, which is Romans 10:9-13. Tomorrow he will most likely change his mind and claim AGAIN, he does NOT believe as the majority of Christians and has been once again given personal revelations and argue against Romans 10:9-13.

Maybe Strongaxe has time for those here on line who's conversations flip flop from day to day or HR to HR, minute agreeing with you, and the next calling you a false teacher.

BUT does David REALLY believe Romans 10:9-13 IS ALL one needs to do to be saved? Let's see......lets see if HIS idea of WORKS is simply to believe.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
JS 1234, if one goes to war and kills off all their enemies, as will happen IN THE END. Satan and 1/3 are Gods enemies....will one day be finally defeated once and for all....not converted YIKES

1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 make very clear there is no universal salvation. ....Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Ephesians mentions THE MYSTERY over 6 times, more than any epistle in scripture. The MYSTERY is clearly defined in Colossians 1:24-27....showing in Colossians 2-3 a deeper understanding of THE MYSTERY of the CHURCH...

The MYSTERY of the Gospel not once states a limited atonement, or that Jesus only died for a few.

The MYSTERY is that in this dispensation God is forming THE CHURCH, the BOC, that WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME TO BE APART OF THIS SPECIAL ELECT GROUP, never promised to Earthly Israel.

This is clearly seen in the conclusion of Ephesians chapter 6.

But you first need to be saved to understand.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Proof John LIED:
John here's Scripture showing ISRAEL THE NATION, as Gods Elect...Deut 7:6, Exodus 19:4-6, Psalma 135:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:1-2, 45:4 And loud and clear Amos 3:2. YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE FAMILIES On earth....Not John the Gentile. No Gentile was Gods elect. No individual Jew or Gentile....but the WHOLE NATION. They were not automatically saved because they were Gods elect.

Now we do see in Romans 11:1-8 God has not forgotten them. But He will remember them after YOU a GENTILE WILD AGAINST NATURE is grafted in. But until then MULTITUDES OF JEWS are and have been LOST over the last 2000 years. There's no universal salvation for them who rejected Christ...elect though they may be.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19

Predestined For Hell
God will ultimately reconcile all things to himself. That has to include everyone who opposed him, including Satan and those angels who followed him. It's a beautiful thing that God is going to do.
---JS1234 on 9/16/19

No it doesn't have to JS1234. ONLY THOSE in Christ As Christ is head of the NEW CREATION. God is not reconciling the old creature or old creation or all of Adam 1 or demons to Himself... ..there will be a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH....NOT A reconciled old earth . Old things pass away. Gone caput. bye bye...You are misreading those verses. More scripture says many will not enter in the New Creation. Rev 20-21 You are mixing reconstruction theology with your beliefs which is a false Doctrine.

Dormition Of Mary
Just because something is a majority doesn't make it truth either. Please back that mindset up with scripture. You have NO SCRIPTURE to back up anything you are saying Cluny....


The majority of Jews after Jesus resurrection STILL didn't did that make them right?

Your argument is what I call a Nicolism....totally a nothing burger in point.

You are free to venerate Mary all you want Cluny...I'm not stopping you.....however I find it opposes known scripture so I'll pass out of obedience to the KNOWN WILL OF GOD.

Can Satan Be Forgiven
Ephesians 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches OF HIS GRACE,

NT GRACE /reconciliation cannot be separated from the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS. Colossians 1:20

The GRACE OF GOD that brings salvation....... Is clearly stated in Ephesians 1:7. We have been redeemed WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS. REDEEMED MEANS SALVATION. 1 Peter 1:19

Can Satan Be Forgiven

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Now I already know how JS1234 will answer the previous post...saying as he has before...if God wants to feed me to Satan, then it's Gods will. Universalists take NO responsibility. que sera sera but LOOK, WE ARE TO BE SOBER AND VIGILANT first...aren't we?

Just as we have been WARNED about perishing and everlasting punishment. There is no que sera sera here. No scripture teaches such a thing. WE are to repent, believe and OBEY..Romans 10:9-10, .Romans 16:25-27. Romans 6-8, Romans 12:1-2....just for starters.

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