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How To Calculate 666
  
kathr4453:

Your long quote without attribution: "On 15th February..."


Ianns:

Why would John write instructions in Greek to perform a calculation in Hebrew, to Christians, most of whom didn't speak Hebrew?

Also, gematria have many problems. One can play all kinds of shell games with names by including or omitting first name, last name, middle name(s), initials, articles, titles, etc. to get the numbers to add up to almost anything you want. In the Old Testament alone there are 7 different spellings of Nebuchadnezzar, all adding up to different numbers. Which is the right one?

We should look for Antichrist qualities. Matching number is just the icing on the cake.


How To Calculate 666
  
kathr4453:

I spoke to your quote, which said nothing about Arafat being Egyptian. I also didn't say he wasn't a tarrorist. It claims he and the Pope "signed a covenant against the G-d and people of Israel". What evidence is there that it's "against God"? Many presume to speak on God's behalf. The Bible has strict warnings about that. The article is also obviously a Jewish source, because Christians aren't afraid to say "God".

One thing about conspiracy theory sites is that they frequently throw out many disjointed factoids without actual solid bases in facts. They often read like incoherent ramblings of a disorganized mind, and their appearance often also gives that impression.


How To Calculate 666
  
When posting controversial quotes, you should say where they are from, so we can access their provenance and relevance. I googled the phrase you posted. It appears only on these sites, none of which are notable:

2006 scribd, hosting a book called "Bye Bye Gaza", by Barry Chamish (which is probably the original source)

7/12/2013 idrapundit, quoting Barry Chamish, quoting nonexistent page below.

9/10/2014 cuttingedge, a conspiracy site, quoting their article from 2/5/2000, quoting templeofthefaithful (page no longer exists).

9/12/2014 worldmessenger, another conspiracy site, quoting above 2/5/2000 cuttingedge article.

dailychristiannews, another conspiracy site from Finland (links to a Google search)


How To Calculate 666
  
kathr445:

Palestinian Arabs are not related to the Philistines of biblical times. They are Arabs who have been living in Palestine for many hundreds of years, and consider it their home. They have roots that go back to the Arab conquest in the 7th century, which go back 1400 years.

Most Americans are of European descent, and have been living on this continent for 500 years or less, yet they consider this their home.

When you say "there is no such thing as Arab Palestinians", you would thus be even more correct in saying "there is no such thing as Americans", as they're mostly from Europe, and the few that are native to here never used the term America, as that's from the name of one lucky European sailor.


How To Calculate 666
  
Also, remember that the Antichrist will conclude a peace treaty with Israel, which will last for 3 and a half years - before he turns around and betrays them. So whenever you see some politician buttering up Israel, it MIGHT be because he's honestly interested in God's People, or it MIGHT because he's only planning to use them for his own ends, and plans to turn on them in the end.

To find out for sure, it's good to look at how that politician deals with everyone else in his life - whether he makes true friends and allies, or merely pawns to use and discard.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

Nobody here was talking about that either. What I said was when Christians receive conflicting imperatives from the state and from God, which should they obey?

If God commands you to take care of strangers, but the state tells you to turn them into the government, what do you do? Turning illegals over to ICE is the exact same moral quandry as German citizens turning Jews over to the Nazi Government. The only difference is how badly they're treated when they get turned over.

We don't have the right to demand that our country or other people obey the laws of God (despite what some Dominionists want). However, we DO have the choice to obey country or to obey God when their rules oppose each other.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

"legal" and "right" are ideally the same, but sadly, frequently not. Hitler was voted in. Much of what he and thugs did was legal, because they passed laws to make them legal. Destroying and seizing Jewish property and "resettling" Jews was legal.

U.S. Japanese internment was legal. CITIZENS were rounded up, put into concentration camps, and their property seized, just not murdered like in Germany. It was challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, who said it was OK. Under McCarthy, persecution of people suspected of communism, without a trial, was legal.

Rome forcing people to burn incense to Caesar was legal. The Beast forcing his Mark on everyone will be legal.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

How about "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but RENDER UNTO GOD WHAT IS GOD's"? When Caesar's law conflicts with God's law, Christians are obliged to obey God's law.

In Rome, all Romans were required to burn incense to honor Caesar, because Caesar had declared himself to be a god. Early Christians saw this as idolatry, and refused to do so - and as a result, were thrown into the arena to be devoured by lions. They were willing to die, rather than to compomise their faith. Sadly, most Christians today have less conviction.

Germans lied and hid Jews - should they have told the truth instead and gotten them killed?


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

It's not "breaking the law being on the agenda". It's not allowing the Law of Caesar to interfere with the Law of Christ.

Many churches subordinated the Law of God to the Law of the State to be "politically correct" (in the strictest sense), and such churches are invariably viewed with contempt through the lens of history, e.g. "official" churches in the Soviet Union and China, and churches in Germany that went along with the Nazi agenda.

As for "presuming upon others to pay the cost", sanctuary churches pay the cost, not others.

Many "Christians" spend oodles of money to send missionaries to people in other countries, but balk when those people come here.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

You seem much more concerned about whether American Christians are obeying U.S. law than whether they are obeying the Law of Christ.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

Scripture tells us how to treat people, not citizens. It doesn't make charity contingent on showing identity papers. Xenia, the Greek custom of hospitality, is about how one treats strangers. OT says there is one law for Israel and strangers, and strangers must be treated like sons. Jesus was sent to Israel, but we should be grateful because despite being strangers, we are grafted onto the vine of Christ.

Matthew 25 doesn't say, "I was hungry, and you checked my papers. I was naked, and you made me sleep on a concrete floor. I was sick, and you denied me medical care so I would spread my sickness to others" - all of which the current administration is doing to illegals.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
David:

Exactly! Jesus said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but unto God what is God's", which means that we must normally obey man-made laws, but when those laws and the laws of God come into conflict, we must obey God's laws first.

Note that this does not exempt us from the consequences of man-made laws. Early Christians in Rome were required to burn incense to worship Caesar, and they refused to do so, so many willingly went to the arenas to be eaten by lions. Many Europeans died for sheltering Jews.

What is NOT acceptable is self-entitled Christians saying "That law conflicts with my religious beliefs, so I am legally exempt from following it."


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Forget about Churches, WHY are Democrats held States and Cities are giving sanctuary to Illegals?

Perhaps because Democrats (Jimmy Carter being an extremely good example) actually care more about Jesus' command to "love your neighbor as yourself" than Republicans, who claim to follow Christ, yet constantly show they don't by their policies (e.g. "I was hungry and you cut my food stamps. I was sick and you took away my health care. I was a stranger and you demanded to see my papers.")


How To Calculate 666
  
Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: Ki>Has it occurred to anyone that John, who knew about exponents, he was using 666 to mean six, to the power six and that sum raised to the power of six again?

It certainly occurred to Robert A. Heinlein. In his novel "The Number of the Beast", that particular mathematical calculation is a significant plot point. I wonder if that's what you were thinking of?

That number (6 to the power 6 to the power 6) is 6 to the power 46656, which is 36305 digits long, and way too long to include here.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
Nicole_Lacey:

My 10C comment was to Steveng, a response to HIS attack on liberals and MSM and defending Trump. HE changed the topic on HIS OWN BLOG. As I said, I don't change the topic, but I DO respond to comments made by others who do.

Steveng:

138/139?!
Better+cheaper health care for all. But his plan will lose 23 million coverage, and 20000 more will die.
Not touch Medicare and Social Security. Now all are threatened.
Bring jobs home. His tariffs destroy local jobs and force many corporations to go overseas.
Drain the swamp, yet his "best people" keep getting quitting, get fired, or get arrested for corruption.

That's four failed ones right there.


How To Calculate 666
  
Monk_Brendan:

"Each digit is a 6" is a visual pun possible in positional counting systems like Hindu/Arabic numbers we use, but impossible in Greek, Hebrew, and Roman Numerals that use different letters for each digit. In Greek, as in Hebrew, numbers are written using letters, with each one group of letters representing 1-9, another for 10-90, and another for 100-900.

The Number of the Beast is written as three letters chi, xi, and digamma (or stigma), which respectively represent the numbers 600, 60, and 6. If John had meant three separate sixes, he would have had to have written digamma three times.

(Some codices also say chi, iota, and digamma, which equal 616.)


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
kathr4453:

I don't change the subject, but if someone else does so, I will respond to the comments they make on the new subject. This seems to happen on here a lot. It does seem a bit unusual though, when one person changes the subjects of several totally unrelated blogs all to the same side topic - a bit like some other people seem to switch almost every blog onto keeping the Sabbath.


Churches To Illegal Immigrants
  
David:

If you want to get an unbiased picture about someone, watch what they do, and listen to what they say. That can't be whitewashed or spun. Listen to speeches by all the presidents since they started being broadcast, or written transcripts of earlier ones.

I have lived through 11 presidents, and listened to their speeches, and most seemed presidential, except maybe Nixon's "I am not a crook", and G. W. Bush sometimes seemed confused. Trump is unlike all the others. He constantly praises himself, attacks everyone who disagrees with them, threatens witnesses, and often his speeches are total word salad with not a single coherent sentence in them. He sounds like a used car salesman, and not a statesman.


How To Calculate 666
  
David:

It's meaningless to try to calculate a number unless you have a formula to calculate it. Many self-proclaimed biblical scholars "calculated" this and that person's number to be 666, and all were wrong. The Bible gives no formula but DOES give other signs - boastful, will suffer a deadly wound from and recover, and nobody can buy or sell without his mark. Nobody on earth is close to either of those last two.

Nothing in the Bible mentions "66". It's yet another man-made "formula". Also, "666 is three sixes" is a mere coincidence, an artifact of the Hindu-Arabic numbering system we use today in the west, but was NOT used in old or new testaments, and is not used worldwide either.



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