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Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

You keep missing the point. I am not "siding with an enemy of this country". I am objecting to the way Trump took him out.

Trump specifically asked Iraq to make peace overtures with Iran. They were doing that (i.e. Soleimani came to Iraq to talk to their prime minister) when Trump assassinated him on Iraq soil. Do you not get how ourageous a breach of hospitality that is?! You arrange for an enemy to talk peace, then murder him when he does that?!

I can't understand how you can support Trump. Now evidence shows he and several other GOP insiders stalked an AMERICAN AMBASSADOR and considered a MOB HIT on her because she was not cooperating with their attempt to smear the Bidens for political ends.


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

You wrote: None of the original NT manuscripts predating the 4th century exist today. So no one can for any certainty claim that God's name was not in the original NT manuscripts.

So the Watchtower has created a doctrine, and condemned all of Christianity for violating that doctrine, based on ZERO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

THIS is what we call cultism. Why are you people SO OBSESSED over this?

This also has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Trinity. KJV does include the word "Jehovah". Also, some other translations (like the Catholic Jerusalem Bible), leave Yahweh in everywhere, yet Catholics are trinitarians, which disproves your point.


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

Even if YHWH occurred in one LXX manuscript, it didn't occur in most, and NEVER occurred in NT manuscripts. Jesus and the Apostles were OK with this. Why are you not?

I said "Yahweh" was a more correct pronunciation of the Divine Name than "Jehovah" is. I never INSISTED that it be used. The only people who INSIST on using the Divine Name are Jehovah's Witnesses, but thanks for deflecting.

If you refer to God by some name other than "Jehovah", because he obviously knows whom you're talking about, why do you rail so much when others do the same?


Bring Back Christmas
  
David831:

In EVERY SINGLE NT MANUSCRIPT, God is called "Kyrios", not "YHWH", even when directly quoting the OT. This translation standard practice in the LXX, and was acceptable to the Apostles and all NT authors - yet for some reason it is not acceptable to the Watchtower Society. Do you think you are holier than they are? Why is this particular gnat SO important to you?

I'm curious why you come to this site. The only points you make here are bashing the Trinity, and bashing use of LORD for the Holy Name. You never seem to discuss any of the other Christian teachines, only divisive JW-specific ones.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
And there is now breaking intelligence (i.e. documents) from Lev Parnas that suggests that Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, and Hyde were having U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch under surveillance, and making veiled comments about "knowing some people who could take care of her" - i.e. suggesting a possible mob hit on one of our own ambassadors who was inconvenient to them. How's THAT for treason?


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

Yes, most Christians (except some bizarre cultists who INSIST on "YAHUSHUAH") accept "Jesus" for the Son, just as most Christians (except some bizarre cultists who INSIST on "YAHWEH" or "JEHOVAH") accept "God" as for the Father.

If you speak to your real-world father, do you call him "Jack" or "Mr. Smith", or do you call him "Father" or "Dad"? Jews had a formal relationship with God. Christians have a close informal relationship with their father.

Everyone can see the ridiculousness of StrongAxe argument!

I don't see any here. You are projecting. MOST Christians in the world disagree with you.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David831:

RCC making an agreement with Hitler was under duress - it was either that or be destroyed. 1st century Christians made a different choice w.r.t. burning incense to Caesar, but it doesn't imply trust.

It had NOTHING to do with my friend. I went to their meetings. I read their books, and I owned enough of them that it took over a cubic foot to store them. From what OF THEIR OWN WRITINGS that I read, and from the behaviors OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE, and the actions OF THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION, condemning others for doing certain things yet doing exactly the same things themselves, that led me to walk away.

I also do not apologize for RCC. I grew up Catholic and also left them.


Bring Back Christmas
  
David8318:

I trust traditions and scholarship of the Jews, to whom scriptures were given and who had them for millenia, over Watchtower Society "scholarship", that has been around less than two centuries.

BOTH Jehovah and Jesus are inaccurate. Hebrew and Greek do NOT have a "J" sound. Watchtower scholars know this, but DESPITE THIS, they use "Jehovah". Why? BECAUSE THE EXACT PRONUNCIATION AND SPELLING ARE NOT IMPORTANT. God knows what we mean. He is not a Grammar Nazi.

Either God cares, or he doesn't. If he doesn't care, they are Pharisees for accusing us of getting it wrong. If he DOES care, they're hypocrites for using "JEHOVAH" 6973 times, knowing it's inaccurate. Which is it?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David:

You wrote: What makes you believe Lucifer and Judas loved God, when both of them betrayed God?

God loved Lucifer. He was the greatest of the angels.

Why would Judas have stayed with Jesus if he didn't love him? Jesus wasn't rich. Yes, he was popular, but his popularity was dangerous as it was attracting unwanted hostility from the Pharisees (and worse, the Romans).

In the garden, he betrayed Jesus with a kiss - which was supposed to be a secret signal to the Romans (that Jesus figured out anyway). You don't just go up to someone and kiss them unless there is already a degree of mutual affection.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

I asked to show, SPECIFICALLY, any point in my message that was incorrect. Instead of proving me wrong (very easy, if I actually WAS wrong), you choose to attack he personally.

Stop playing the "Canadian" card as a put-down to me. It gets tiresome. If you don't want others putting you down because you're an American, you shouldn't do it to others either.

As far as to "being gratious to murderers", Jesus taught turning the other cheek - it's something you might look into. Throw the first stone ONLY If you're sinless.

Iran had much money invested in the U.S. The U.S. illegally seized it. If they "owe us reparations", U.S. could sue for it in the World Court. They didn't.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David:

The problem is that EVERY religion believes that it is teaching the truth, regardless of whether they're Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecastal, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, or anything else.

We end up with the curious double-think where many people think it's perfectly fine to force their own children to go to Sunday School, but at the same time believe that other people forcing their own religions on THEIR own children is harmful brainwashing.

There are people in loving relationships with God, and still fall away. Look at Lucifer and Judas.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: Your history smells a bit leftist. Why don't you move to Iran and then tell us how great they are. We Americans are tired of you.

What matters is NOT whether my history is "leftist" or "rightist", but whether it is TRUE. IF the shoe fits, wear it. Show ONE THING I said in my last message that was NOT true.

I never said "Iran is great" but thanks for putting words in my mouth and then setting fire to them. It shows how committed you are to truth. And don't presume to speak for all Americans. More than half agree with me. Even FOX'S OWN POLL showed over 50% in favor of impeachment and removal.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
Cluny:

There is a very big difference there. Religion depends on faith. If you go to church but don't believe, it profits you nothing.

Medicine depends on science. It will cure you whether you believe in it or not.


Bring Back Christmas
  
Cluny:

JW propaganda claims some NT manuscripts write the Name, not as KYRIOS, but PIPI - what a Greek scribe unlearned in Hebrew would write when copying a manuscript with the Name in untranslated Hebrew form.

Google: "Jehovah's Witness" "PIPI"

"But none of those mistakes corrupted the Bible. ... So, has the Bible been corrupted. Emphatically, no!" Watchtower 2017 no.6 p.14.

"... no variations which affect vital facts or doctrines." Reasoning from the Scriptures p. 64

As they imply translating the Name (done in EVERY KNOWN MANUSCRIPT) is not a "corruption" or "error in vital facts", JWs are disingenuous in blaming others for it.


Are Democrats Traitors
  
jerry6593:

Iran had a democratic governent the C.I.A. toppled in 1953 to install the Shah. The later backlash gave us Khomeni. Thank American meddling for Islamic fundamentalism in the region, and exported terror and bloodshed, and their hatred of us.

Obama didn't "give" money. He returned THEIR OWN MONEY America illegally STOLE.

America exported revolution and regime change all over the world to favor its own business interests for decades, and whines now its chickens came home to roost.

Bin Laden was a rogue terrorist. Soleimani was a leader in a WORLD GOVERNMENT - a big difference. We attacked him on an ALLY'S SOIL, so now Iraq is expelling all U.S. troops, wasting 18 years of American effort in Iraq.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David:

I was raised Catholic, at around age 8, I lost my faith after asking a few questions that our priest was unable or unwilling to answer, so also became a child who was forced to go to church.

My interest in God re-awakened when I was 20, curiously enough under the influence of a friend who was a Jehovah's Witness, but after hanging out when them for about a year, there were so many things they were doing and saying that just seemed wrong (e.g. criticizing other Christians for doing things that they themselves were doing) so I got out of that particular error and found more reasonable expressions of Christian faith elsewhere.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David:

(I assume you are not the same person as David8318 and/or David831)

Since you say that you are not familiar with either JW teachings or Trinity teachings, I'm curious what Christian background you come from?


Bring Back Christmas
  
David831(8):

I was confirming what the tradition has been for thousands of years before Christ.

You choke on the gnat that "LORD" is not an acceptable translation for YHWH, yet you swallow the camel and ignore the fact that "Jehovah" is not an acceptable translation either.

Don't accuse others of doing THE SAME THING you do. Remove the 6973 errors from your own translation before criticizing the 6973 errors in others'.

Colossians 1:16: "other" is NOT present in the Greek. The Greeks were intelligent enough to interpret context without being told. Why do you think English speakers are not?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David831:

I didn't say you did. I said your logical leap "some Catholics followed Hitler. Therefore, Trinitarian theology is evil" is just as flawed as "some men followed Hitler. Therefore all men are evil".

May Catholics gave lip service to Hitler openly (to avoid being arrested and killed), which allowed them to work against him in secret.

Just because Hitler "interpreted" it to mean something, does not mean it actually meant that. Do YOU trust Hitler's judgment?

In countries where Jehovah's Witnesses are persecuted, how many defy their governments openly and get arrested? Instead, they work in secret. Just as early Christians did mostly, hence the secret IXTHUS sign.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
David8318:

That was NOT because they were Trinitarians, but because even though they claimed to follow Christ, their words and deeds were far away from everything he taught.

Whether you believe Jesus is co-equal with the Father or not, that has nothing to do with whether you feed the hungry, comfort the sick, clothe the naked, turn the other cheek, forgive your enemies, and walk the extra mile.

Again, you have a false correlation, like "Some men followed Hitler. Therefore, all men are evil."

Some priests followed Hitler (just as today many evangelicals follow Trump), but there are also many in both cases who did not. Many Catholics and Protestants were murdered by Hitler for working against him.



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